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dcontroversal said:
The LAW condemns everyone.........end of story.....no matter how righteous one may seem there are NONE that keep the law 24/7/365 their whole life and exactly why the whole world becomes guilty with mouths shut.....the law as a school aster points to the only CURE of our fallen sinful disease.....

JESUS and HIS righteousness being imputed by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law which ETERNALLY justifies us before CHRIST having been BORN again by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED by the IRREVOCABLE gift of faith, salvation and eternal LIFE......

AFTER one has been born again they are dealt with as CHILDREN and rewarded for faithful SERVICE or WHIPPED for disobedience.....HE does NOT forsake us and or LEAVE US and this was written to the SAVED, IMMERSED church members.....WHERE SIN abounds, GRACE abounds the MORE..........

THE ONLY SIN that is not covered is the sin of unbelief into the work of CHRIST by blasphemy of the Spirit <---THE pharisees were attributing the work of Christ by the power of the Holy SPIRIT to the power of the devil <---this is a state of UNBELIEF and ONE that will not believe into the work of CHRIST, they CANNOT be forgiven....

JESUS said....WHERE I am going YOU CANNOT COME because YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM HE...........

Regardless of those that reject this truth the following is true...

a. OUR spirit has been born again from above by incorruptible seed and DOES NOT SIN <--1st JOHN
b. IT is still housed in a FALLEN dead body of SIN that is not subject unto the word of GOD, neither indeed can BE <--Romans
c. THE BATTLE ground for control is the MIND which is subject unto the TRANSFORMATIONAL process described in Romans 12

The bible is clear on these truths........the more a man is transformed inwardly the BETTER and MORE godly he lives outwardly..the opposite is equally true!

SIN in a believer BREAKS fellowship, but does NOT lead to the loss of salvation....it also leads to chastisement and the loss of reward.....the bible clearly teaches these truths........

GOD ONLY WHIPS CHILDREN and ONLY FOR DISOBEDIENCE AND SIN
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if you are "eternally justified" as you say, let me ask this question:

By what right does any alleged Bible teacher make God a split personality (a schizophrenic), condoning sin as a Judge and punishing it as a Father?

how can God as a Father punish what God as a Judge has already forgiven?

The sinning "saint" must confess his sins in order to restore fellowship with the Father, we are told. or the father will chastise

How can the saint confess what is already forgiven?

If they are already forgiven, there can be no just punishment of a believer's sins, even by his Father

DO YOU SEE THE CONTRADICTION????
 
unclesilas said:
Ive just told you, Jesus died for all your sins, past, present and future. If you want a list of things that can bar you from the kingdom of heaven, just read Gal5:19-21
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Real world application please, scripture is teaching us about how to live a victorious Christian life, so please tell me when a believer losses their salvation, which sin, how many and for how long?

You know God does use a lot of numbers in the scripture, seven, three.....surely He gave us a number for the cut off to eternal damnation, or does He just leave us guessing?
 
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Goodnewsman said:
if you are "eternally justified" as you say, let me ask this question:

By what right does any alleged Bible teacher make God a split personality (a schizophrenic), condoning sin as a Judge and punishing it as a Father?

how can God as a Father punish what God as a Judge has already forgiven?

The sinning "saint" must confess his sins in order to restore fellowship with the Father, we are told. or the father will chastise

How can the saint confess what is already forgiven?

If they are already forgiven, there can be no just punishment of a believer's sins, even by his Father

DO YOU SEE THE CONTRADICTION????
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There is no contradiction except the one being fabricated by a deceiver that has no honesty and or integrity......do you have children?

I do...I have a son...I love him to death and would give him anything that he desires within my power...and i would also whip him for getting out of line and disobeying me....guess what...HE IS STILL MY SON BY BIRTH

Obviously, you do not have that relationship with the God of heaven by faith by your ridiculous words and beliefs......
 
UnderGrace said:
Real world application please, scripture is teaching us about how to live a victorious Christian life, so please tell me when a believer losses their salvation, which sin, how many and for how long?

You know God does use a lot of numbers in the scripture, seven, three.....surely He gave us a number for the cut off to eternal damnation, or does He just leave us guessing?
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Lets go by Paul for an example he didn't give a specific number. Is Paul ok to quote for you?

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
unclesilas said:
Its a contradiction to you for you do not understand the message. And in truth, if you believe it is a contradiction you believe Paul contradicted himself
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Not hardly pal....I believe PAUL and the context....you on the other hand....cannot even be honest with the simple things...like LOVE being a process of growth and maturity....I suggest you go back to the milk, get right and then try a little meat
 
Historyanswers said:
can you give me the dates, when these scripture were written, and who do they apply to
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WOW!!! HAVE YOU NOT READ:
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

your bible must be very small if you ripped out all the verses you thought wasnt for you.

like the book of Romans.....rip it out....after all it was for the church at Rome...

see what i mean?
 
UnderGrace said:
Real world application please, scripture is teaching us about how to live a victorious Christian life, so please tell me when a believer losses their salvation, which sin, how many and for how long?

You know God does use a lot of numbers in the scripture, seven, three.....surely He gave us a number for the cut off to eternal damnation, or does He just leave us guessing?
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How do you like the contradiction....JESUS died for ALL of your sins, past, present and future EXCEPT>..........balh blah blah
 
dcontroversal said:
Not hardly pal....I believe PAUL and the context....you on the other hand....cannot even be honest with the simple things...like LOVE being a process of growth and maturity....I suggest you go back to the milk, get right and then try a little meat
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Well I gave you an opportunity to explain to me the foundation upon which the new covenant stands and its application in the believers life, and you cannot do it can you. You cannot get anymore basic than the basics of the christian faith. And as you cannot even do that, who is on the milk?
 
Goodnewsman said:
WOW!!! HAVE YOU NOT READ:
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

your bible must be very small if you ripped out all the verses you thought wasnt for you.

like the book of Romans.....rip it out....after all it was for the church at Rome...

see what i mean?
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HAHHAHAHAHAHHAH this coming from one that just yanked a few words out of a verse by PETER and then applied it to your opinion to prove a false, slanderous view......

if your church members could see your dishonesty and lack of integrity.....wow
 
unclesilas said:
Generalised observation???

If you know the truth of scripture on this subject just directly address the question posed in the post you are passing genaralised observations of. How can Paul tell people they have righteousness/justification apart from not committing sin, and then warn believers that if they live in certain ways they will be barred from the kingdom of heaven?
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JALAPENO!!! THATS ONE RED HOT HALLELUJAH!!!!! AMEN
 
unclesilas said:
Lets go by Paul for an example he didn't give a specific number. Is Paul ok to quote for you?

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Well then I guess we are all doomed.

Unless you have some ego that says you have not envied or been in discord with someone?
 
unclesilas said:
Well I gave you an opportunity to explain to me the foundation upon which the new covenant stands and its application in the believers life, and you cannot do it can you. You cannot get anymore basic than the basics of the christian faith. And as you cannot even do that, who is on the milk?
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Let me tell you pal....yanking two verses out of the midst of HEBREWS which was written to JEWISH believers that wanted to go back under an inferior way to PROVE or ASK for my view on the foundation of the NEW COVENANT does not qualify as a valid question.......
 
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