I was just asking because you told me i was taking Heb 6 out of context but you never showed me where i was wrong. so i just assumed you was telling me what God "really" meant to say.....
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I was just asking because you told me i was taking Heb 6 out of context but you never showed me where i was wrong. so i just assumed you was telling me what God "really" meant to say.....
For by grace are you SAVED through faith.......past tense
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he SAVED US....past tense
It is idiotic to say that we are not saved until the end.......the bible speaks of it in all three tenses because salvation is a present continuing result from a past completed action......
We all do that occasionally.....no biggie......it has happened a few times.....and I know I am controversial
YES, JESUS saved me FROM my sin.......not IN my sin
"old things pass away and behold all things become new"
Galatians 5:16 (KJV)
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
christian's do not have to sin everyday
the reason people sin everyday is because they are a sinners!
1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV)
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
James 1:14-15 (KJV)
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
i was asking you that question based on your response to one of my posts in #84311
sounds like you believe that based on what you said?????
Would you be kind enough to share the scripture verses, you say you found stating ""faith is a gift"". Thx in advance...
Oh, so in other words meritorious. Ok
Faith is what pleases God. No matter how many works we do, they are nothing without faith. Without faith, it is impossible to please Him.
Who claims works are meritorious? Anyone who believes in faith plus works equals salvation. The people you are trying to refute.
In other words, the reward of our works is reckoned of DEBT? Is that what you are saying?
are the wages we earn of Grace or reckoned of debt?
Go look up meritorious. You just made good works meritorious if you think the reward/wages of our works is reckoned of debt
And if they are not reckoned by debt, they too are graciously bestowed and not merited, ie of GRACE
so reward is based on merit, reckoned of debt, not grace? So holding fast our confidence is something we get payed for? Hebrews 10:35
So a reward is always reckoned of debt, or are rewards unmerited favor?
Works are something we do and get paid for? Ok, but the wages are not paid out of debt, but the wages too are unmerited grace.
For everything we receive from God is unmerited. And if it is unmerited, it is a gift of grace I
This is where your understanding FAILS
God owes us Nothing! Rewards are not reckoned of debt. What we get PAID as you call it is reckoned of GRACE, not of debt.
If the reward is not of grace, then it is reckoned of debt, ie meritorious.
My only merit is Jesus
God's rewards are just as unmerited as salvation is. It's ALL OF GRACE!
For everything we receive from God is unmerited. And if it is unmerited, it is a gift of grace I
This is where your understanding FAILS
God owes us Nothing! Rewards are not reckoned of debt. What we get PAID as you call it is reckoned of GRACE, not of debt.
If the reward is not of grace, then it is reckoned of debt, ie meritorious.
My only merit is Jesus
God's rewards are just as unmerited as salvation is. It's ALL OF GRACE!
Paul is rewarded, even though it is not He that labors, but the grace of God with Him that labored abundantly. 1 Cor. 15:10
Even when we have done all that is commanded, we are unprofitable. We have only done what is our duty. Luke 17:10
Every worker gets a penny. Matthew 20:13-14
Jesus gets all of our crowns. All glory is His. Rev 4:10-11
What is not reckoned of grace is reckoned of debt. See last 3 posts if you missed them
God owes us Nothing.
Being used of God is a Divine favor Luke 1:30
Even rewards and wages are unmerited and undeserved.
Jesus is our only merit
Right DC?
If you guys don't get it yet, I'm wasting my time here
Even when we have done all that is commanded, we are unprofitable. We have only done what is our duty. Luke 17:10
Every worker gets a penny. Matthew 20:13-14
Jesus gets all of our crowns. All glory is His. Rev 4:10-11
What is not reckoned of grace is reckoned of debt. See last 3 posts if you missed them
God owes us Nothing.
Being used of God is a Divine favor Luke 1:30
Even rewards and wages are unmerited and undeserved.
Jesus is our only merit
Right DC?
If you guys don't get it yet, I'm wasting my time here
Meritorious. Deserving of praise or reward.
We do receive a reward, but it is undeserved. And if it is undeserved it is reckoned of grace, not of debt
If we say it is deserved, we claim God owes us. God owes us NOTHING
Therefore, even the rewards or wages as they are called are undeserved. After we have done all, we are yet unprofitable. Luke 17:10
Therefore, even the rewards/wages are reckoned of grace, not of debt
All of grace, all of grace, all of grace
We do receive a reward, but it is undeserved. And if it is undeserved it is reckoned of grace, not of debt
If we say it is deserved, we claim God owes us. God owes us NOTHING
Therefore, even the rewards or wages as they are called are undeserved. After we have done all, we are yet unprofitable. Luke 17:10
Therefore, even the rewards/wages are reckoned of grace, not of debt
All of grace, all of grace, all of grace
Meritorious. Deserving of praise or reward. We do receive a reward, but it is undeserved. And if it is undeserved it is reckoned of grace, not of debt
So what is the difference between receiving something by grace and receiving it as a gift. DC NEVER answered this as far as I know.
If we say it is deserved, we claim God owes us. God owes us NOTHING
Therefore, even the rewards or wages as they are called are undeserved. After we have done all, we are yet unprofitable. Luke 17:10
Therefore, even the rewards/wages are reckoned of grace, not of debt
All of grace, all of grace, all of grace
So what is the difference between receiving something by grace and receiving it as a gift. DC NEVER answered this as far as I know.
If we say it is deserved, we claim God owes us. God owes us NOTHING
Therefore, even the rewards or wages as they are called are undeserved. After we have done all, we are yet unprofitable. Luke 17:10
Therefore, even the rewards/wages are reckoned of grace, not of debt
All of grace, all of grace, all of grace
So you think a person can be a Christian can live for years and never shine the LIGHT
Why would one possibly keep His Light under a bushel? A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.
We cannot help but tell of the wonderful things that God has done.
If God does such a great thing for us, what kind of person would be able to hide it. I wanted to shout it from the rooftops.
I can't see how someone can have such a monumental event happen, and not share it. It's unfathomable to me
I guess the gospel is just too exciting for some and not all that exciting for others. Maybe it has to do with to whom much is forgiven, the same has much love
Focus on the “blood covenant”...
Mary was a virgin when she conceived the Son of God, that means her hymen was intact...so, when The Christ was born through her birth canal, who broke her hymen and entered into a blood covenant with her? None other than her Savior.......
My pastor has selected me to install flooring in in the office. I will, for the very talent God have me
Paul spoke of the sin that condemned him as a Pharisee. It was sin in his thoughts and mind. Sin that no one but he and God need know about. Its strange, but many either ignore such sin or excuse it as not really sin and claim they do not commit sin. I have always wondered how they can do that.
This is what I wrote:
Many different people go to church, and make confessions of faith, some do indeed walk away, and others do not. The question is, were those who walked away ever placed in a saved state? Scripture shows us they were, though they may not have had the personal salvational experience that will always keep them saved. People who Jesus said would never be lost.
But I maybe too easy going as to who I accept as Christians. I even accept as Christians people who claim they do not commit sin. As the law is in believers hearts and minds, and you cannot hide from that law, how can any truly born again Christian honestly claim they fully obey it? For as I said, that would require perfectly obeying law that only you and God need know you break. So people who claim not to commit sin must have been seduced in one way or another mustn't they. Should I not accept them as Christians?
BTW
God accepts you when you are in sin/dead in transgressions/sin(Eph2:5) then the sanctification process starts
The Lord told Paul, "My Grace is sufficient for thee."