MAN that is such a true representation of those who think in their minds the help JESUS finish off their salvation.......
Five Guys is calling my name.......is there a scripture for that
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Would I agree?
I would have to say yes and no.
If we focus on our own qualities then we will always fall short of the quality of Jesus and what he has done for us.
I would say you are correct if, "we focus on our own qualities"How does one measure success when realting to a person?
(the original question)
Quote Chester: "I do not agree that there are two kinds or levels of Christians."
I never said there are "two levels of Christians"...
Chester I'm done with you so go find someone to argue with cause it aint gnna be me,
Good bye Chester
Greek NASB Number: 1577
Greek Word: ἐκκλησία
Transliterated Word: ekklêsia
Root: from 1537 and 2564;
Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation:--
List of English Words and Number of Times Used
assembly (3),
church (74),
churches (35),
congregation (2).
New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
Hi VCO, there was a misunderstanding between Chester and myself - "neither Chester nor myself", believe that there are 2 kinds of Christians. The "entire post" was a misunderstanding and has since been resolved but I do appreciate your concern and helpfulness, God bless!Not only do I not agree with two kinds of Christians, I don't agree with there being two Flocks after the RAPTURE. I believe that Old Testament Saints and New Testament Saints, WILL BE ONE ASSEMBLY after the Rapture.
You do know that CHURCH is not the word that JESUS USED, don't You?
JESUS USED ASSEMBLY when ever HE referred to the CHURCH. AND SO DID the authors of the NEW TESTAMENT. Church was substituted for ASSEMBLY only because CHURCH was what they started calling themselves. PROBABLY because they did not want to be called the SAME THING as HE CALLED the Old Testament Saints.
John 10:16 (HCSB)
16 But I have other sheep [what we call the church, correctly New Testament ASSEMBLY] that are not of this fold [HE is talking to the last of the Old Testament ASSEMBLY]; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock, one shepherd.
Let me prove that to you:
Matthew 16:18 (ESV)
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church [ ⮘ Not what Jesus said.], and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
That makes the ONLY Translation that I can find, the Young's Literal Translation that correctly interpreted that word:
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
I THINK THAT IS A STRONG INDICATION THAT BOTH ASSEMBLIES WILL BECOME ONE AT THE RAPTURE, and those Old Testament Saints, are those WHO BELIEVED GOD THAT MESSIAH WOULD COME. No, there Works did not save them in the O.T. They are Saved the SAME WAY WE ARE.
Jesus said these things in His revelations to John at Patmos to the Church in Sardis not Ephesus, sorry for that and thanks for asking which called my attention.I have not found one instance of Paul using the term µετάνοια / µετανοεῖν (“repentance” / “repent”) in his letter to the Ephesians, can you tell me where that is?
We are saved here on earth in real time by the way....so no, not running ahead of myself.
We are born again in Jesus here on earth in real time.
Yesterday I heard: You need to let this goBro....it is not umbiblical to JUDGE ALL things by the word of God....up to and including one's dogma, what they belief, what religion they espouse and or what they say in here......when one devalues the blood of Christ, the works of Christ, the promises of Christ, the power of Christ, denies verb tense, the very verbiage of the bible, context and then say that they MUST help JESUS get them across the finish LINE I will, without remorse, and or without regret believe and say that they are false and not of GOD.......
Yesterday I heard: You need to let this go
I understood, not to get involved in Quarrels. Not only does it not help, it ads fuel to the fire. God doesn't need our help, we need His help to put away our divided spirit, to come to Him alone. Christians were deceived to fight one another in world wars and now deceived by a divided spirit to fight one another in the war kingdom against kingdom. The Holy Spirit will not be divided, confident that we are of God we Love our enemies, the people you fight against are members of the Body of Christ, "The saviour of all men, especially of them that believe." "For this cause many are weak and sick and asleep, not discerning the body of Christ." I had written some humor about the Foolish and wise virgins yesterday, then regretted it. "They all slumbered and slept." Even though its prophesied, I'm ashamed to have made fun of it and am sorry. May the conviction of the Holy Ghost awaken us to "The simplicity of Christ." A divided spirit is ruled by ego needing control out of insecurity, "Only by pride comes contention." God's order is "Whoever is great among you let him serve." "You think you already have everything you need. You think you are already rich. You have begun to reign in God's kingdom without us! I wish you really were reigning already, for then we would be reigning with you." This was also the condition of the religious leaders when Jesus came. He could not stop this as Love does not insist on its own way. "Think not that I came to bring peace on earth, I did not come to bring peace on earth but a sword" This is also the condition of the last Church in Revelation 3:15 We are unable to go on to perfection in this condition and Jesus is knocking at the door.
How does one measure success when realting to a person?
By losing faith..however that could happen.
2 Peter 2:20-22
20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,” and, “A sow, after washing, returnsto wallowing in the mire.”
By not obeying Jesus, as He commanded.
John 14:21 Jesus Said:
21“He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
To those of you who feel the need to warn those who would be misled here, to think they can do anything they want and still be saved. "All things are lawful for me but I will not be borough under the power of any." The lord told me years ago in plain English: You can do anything you want but your going to fall. I understood that if we live without self control we will fall, and self control is a fruit of the Spirit from remaining in Him. Another time when I took pride in hearing the Lord, He said: Your going to fall that you may learn to continually repent. We are in Gods hands and He will not permit the proud to go on to perfection. We also see dimly and need to walk in the Light we have to get more Light. And wen we are told that if you walk it the light you have to get more light, accused of being saved by works:
The Reason you cant lose your salvation is because there is no such thing as your salvation. "Salvation to our God" Those in Christ partake of His salvation. "Let no one take your crown." I need to let this go
The Reason you cant lose your salvation is because there is no such thing as your salvation. "Salvation to our God" Those in Christ partake of His salvation. "Let no one take your crown." I need to let this go
Each member of the Godhead has their own work to do.Aren't they One?
I am one of those S,To those of you who feel the need to warn those who would be misled here, to think they can do anything they want and still be saved. "All things are lawful for me but I will not be borough under the power of any." The lord told me years ago in plain English: You can do anything you want but your going to fall. I understood that if we live without self control we will fall, and self control is a fruit of the Spirit from remaining in Him. Another time when I took pride in hearing the Lord, He said: Your going to fall that you may learn to continually repent. We are in Gods hands and He will not permit the proud to go on to perfection. We also see dimly and need to walk in the Light we have to get more Light. And wen we are told that if you walk it the light you have to get more light, accused of being saved by works:
Paul does not teach faith alone.So in your view, you believe in
True saving faith = salvation + works after you are saved.
But you don't want to say Salvation = Faith + Works, because that would contradict what Paul is saying.
It's important to quote scripture because there's no other way to know what a member is speaking about. A poster here always mentions the "incorruptible seed"...how we take on the incorruptible.Jesus said these things in His revelations to John at Patmos to the Church in Sardis not Ephesus, sorry for that and thanks for asking which called my attention.
"Saved and born again in real time here on earth."?
I have a question, have you died in your sinful nature and raised up with Christ unto incorruption and immortality?
...And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY.”
John 6:39-40
...How foolish! What you sow does not come to life UNLESS IT DIES. When you sow, YOU DO NOT PLANT THE BODY THAT WILL BE, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 1 Corinthians 15:36-37
I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. FOR THE PERISHABLE MUST CLOTHE ITSELF WITH THE IMPERISHABLE, AND THE MORTAL WITH IMMORTALITY. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! HE GIVES US THE VICTORY THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. Therefore, my dear brothers, STAND FIRM. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because YOU KNOW THAT YOUR LABOR IN THE LORD IS NOT IN VAIN. 1 Corinthians 15:50-58