GodsGrace, may I ask what part of my post you disagree with?
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GodsGrace, may I ask what part of my post you disagree with?
I see you got another orange cat avatar. You must like those. I should get another one, but its hard to find RIGHT SIZE. I didnt realize my current one is a CRUSADER SHIELD, which i dont mind a bit of crusading here and there, but im no fan of the catholic church so I want to change.
No, the word for that, is slander. Blasphemy is when you deny that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit exist.
Yes, and she gave me a red X because apparently she disagrees with me that Jesus died for and with sinners..
That is alright....she red x'ed and thumbs downed simple honest GREEK definitions of words.....I tried to be nice and not report who she was for the sake of mercy, but I cannot stand fakes and frauds that just cause issues........and or play stupid games...........
QUOTE: "You do A LOT of TALKING"
Do you even notice what you're saying? Go check your post and compare it to what i posted. Thanks anyway and God bless.
...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5
don't feel bad blue, she has gave me several red X's today.
personally, I could care less about what a person who openly states that one has to do good works to maintain salvation thinks of what I say....
The funny thing......people who believe in grace through faith are some of the most merciful people and the exact opposite is true of those who peddle works and or some level of salvic obedience.....vindictive, no mercy, walk contrary more often then not and hold grudges..........amazing.......
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Amen!
Hope your staying warm, high winds and extreme wind chills just hit us in columbus, i know your alot colder! Be safe bro
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So perfection is your answer,
Who can fulfill those requirments? In fact, who has, other than christ?
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I guess no one will be saved then, because if we say we have no sin we ar decievs (the apostle john)
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This is a general observation from experience, but I think there is truth to it...
We (salvation by grace through faith apart from works) are offended, which is not personal, because we know it is a insult to the work of Christ Jesus , the workers for salvation (as stated below) take personal insult and offense.
"Works are part of the salvation economy God has put into practice for mankind"
Of course it becomes personal and they become vindicative, they are personally invested in acquiring their own salvation from beginning to end.
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Blasphemy goes much deeper than this, and jesus said only blasphemy of the spirit will never be forgiven
No one....and the funny thing "sic" they will take the word perfect which means complete and or mature and will equate it to our vision and or version of perfect.........and that is not what it means.......When God instructs us to go on to perfection he is telling us to go on to maturity.....but hey.....par for the course around here....POST valid, honest definitions of words and get thumbs, down, red x's and arguments.......
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Belief (faith) means one has an assurance, a trust, a faith in someone or something, nothing else. .it is based on a hope of things which are not seen, and it comes from hearing the word.
Actions procede FROM faith, but it is not faith itself. Which is the point James tried to make
I do share a lot of scripture and I preach the gospel a lot, which is not the same as rambling on and falsely accusing believers, as you do. You can say what you want, but I’m not the one who was banned and returned to Christian Chat against forum rules.
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No one is perfext, or will be perfect until we are in heaven,
Although we have been perfected by God as we are continually being sanctified.
The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.
These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)
...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13
...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2
How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?
We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.
Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?
..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10-14, 24
...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7
...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1-19
Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.
The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God. If they were deceived, why can't you?
Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why refuse to take heed of them?
So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?
These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)
...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13
...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2
How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?
We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.
Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?
..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10-14, 24
...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7
...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1-19
Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.
The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God. If they were deceived, why can't you?
Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why refuse to take heed of them?
So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?
This is a general observation from experience, but I think there is truth to it...
We (salvation by grace through faith apart from works) are offended, which is not personal, because we know it is a insult to the work of Christ Jesus , the workers for salvation (as stated below) take personal insult and offense.
"Works are part of the salvation economy God has put into practice for mankind"
Of course it becomes personal and they become vindicative, they are personally invested in acquiring their own salvation from beginning to end.
Oh I know......man I travel the world and in the last 35 years have dealt with so many people and my generalized observation is valid.....people I know that are lost or that believe they save themselves in some form or fashion are very vindictive and or unforgiving, they hold grudges and actively think of ways to get even (not ALL of them, but MANY of them I know).....while the flip side is true....those who believe in God's grace, mercy and salvation based upon faith have generally been way more forgiving and merciful and NOT SAYING ALL HAVE, but over all more often than not...........