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The workers for, salvation losers, Cainologists and Pharisees deny God's word daily.....!!
Colossians 3:23 (HCSB)
23 Whatever you do, do it enthusiastically, as something done for the Lord and not for men,
YES, but that IS what YOU out of LOVE FOR HIM, actually DO after HE has SAVED YOU, the moment You genuinely BELIEVED.
Will your disobedience save you?
Do you not DENY GOD for being disobedient?
Will God not DENY you for DENYING Him thru your disobedience?
What does the bible say contrary to your own teachings?
... “Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever DISOWNS(DENY) me before men, I will DISOWN(DENY) him before my Father in heaven. Matthew 10:32-33
... They claim to know God, but BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16
...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY JESUS CHRIST our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4
...But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, EVEN DENYING THE SOVEREIGN LORD who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
MANY WILL FOLLOW THEIR SHAMEFUL WAYS and will bring the WAY OF TRUTH into disrepute. 2 Peter 2:1-2
.. having a form of godliness but DENYING IT'S POWER. Have nothing to do with them. 2 Timothy 3:5
Did He warn you about disobedience?
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7
...Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:2-3
... See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25
I see the Seoche still blindly assumes many things....ignorantly I might add.......more failed accusations from a Cainologist that must help his god get him thru the finish line....
Not the Jesus of the bible....he saves eternally and instantly by faith and faith alone....NO WORKS NEEDED to gain eternal salvation!
Not the Jesus of the bible....he saves eternally and instantly by faith and faith alone....NO WORKS NEEDED to gain eternal salvation!
...“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. Luke 6:43-45
...for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5:24
... Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:32
" ...IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS..." Matthew 19:16-30
...Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. HE WHO DOES NOT LOVE ME WILL NOT OBEY MY TEACHING. (those who do not love God, hate Him and are His enemies who SOW bad seeds) These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21-24
... “As for the person who hears my words but DOES NOT KEEP THEM, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for THE ONE WHO REJECTS ME and DOES NOT ACCEPT MY WORDS; that very word which I spoke WILL CONDEMN HIM AT THE LAST DAY. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I KNOW THAT HIS COMMAND LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:47-50
...Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Galatians 6:7-8
...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? Hebrews 12:25
Nailed it!!! No pun intended!!
"all these I have kept"
(Matthew 19:20)
when Jesus heard this, He said to him, “you still lack one thing"
(Luke 18:22)
Amen.
For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29
Did Jesus suffer for us?
Did the prophets, apostles and early disciples suffer for our sake?
... Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. Matthew 16:24-25
Agreed TT. You post many statements that are God's truth.Hi God'sgrace, love this bible verse, we do serve a loving God. So that whatever we do if it is leading a bible study; or visiting the sick; maybe helping meet the needs of the poor or washing the dishes at home, we should all do this as if it is Christ our Lord that we are serving.
And then after doing this work heartily there is the promise that we will receive a "reward" which is our "inheritance", from the Lord.
There are many applications here and this verse can and should be applied to our everyday living; even in the work place toward that boss that we do not like too much....
Colossians3:23 ,24
23) Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24) because you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as your reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.…
I do believe that we will be receiving some type of award(s) in heaven that we don't understand right now. This is clear from scripture.
Would you agree with me, however, that our inheritance is heaven itself?
The reason I insist on this is because some preach that our inheritance is these rewards...and it is these rewards we lose if we go back to a life of sin (different from sinning) and not our inheritance which is heaven.
I fear for those who hear this and might return to their previous life, before they knew God, thinking that they will only lose rewards but maintain their salvation.
Some here will say that God maintains our salvation --- this is true. As long as we remain with God.
The Holy Spirit and a life of sin cannot dwell together.
I do wish we were bold enough to admit that we do have to obey God and actually walk with Him if we are to be saved.
Would you agree with the following verses?:
- Pick up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Do works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obey his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- DO the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
What about these in reference to maintaining our salvation?:
Romans 2:6-10 (verse 7 clearly speaks of eternal life....not rewards)
Romans 11:21-22
Galatians 5:21 (those who live a life of sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God .... not "rewards")
John 5:28-29 (some versions say condemnation....also clearly not rewards)
One simple question for you:
MUST we obey God?
Or can we choose not to?
And don't get tricky and state that by "obey" I mean never to sin.
You know very well I don't believe that.
So...
Do we obey God or not?
This is all I'm saying.
I agree with you VCO.
But explain to me why some here don't like to ADMIT that we must obey God
and explain to me why WORKS is an unacceptable word when it's all over the N.T.
And, while you're at it, explain to me why those who like to work for the God they love are seen as unsaved by some because we only believe with our mind and not with our heart. Shouldn't it be the other way around? When did this change take place???
E
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1 john 1 and 2 Gods children obey. And they can not live in sin. (Why do you keep ignoring these pasages, do they scare you?
Why do you focus so much on obedience, whenn you nnneed to focus on judgement. If your not born again, It does not matter how well you think you obey You are lost.
E
eternally-gratefull
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Why do you refuse to admit your trying to save yourself. And ignoring those who tell you Gods children WILL, Not MUST Obey him as scripture says (not perfectly mind you. No one is sinless)
You want to try to save yourself good luck, and keep trying, but why do you judge those who have fallen to their knees and placed their lives in the hand of the savior?
From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not obtained or maintained by works.
In Matthew 12:37, Jesus said - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." Yet Clement of Rome said we are not justified by our words?
We are justified - "shown to be righteous" by our words and our works because our words and our works reveal the condition of our hearts. Words/works will be evidences for, or against a man's being in a state of righteousness.Ignatius said "those who profess themselves to be Christians will be recognized by their conduct." In Matthew 7:15-16, Jesus said - “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. “You will know them by their fruits. Likewise, Christians will be recognized by their fruit.
Justin Martyr said - "Each man goes to everlasting punishment or salvation according to the value of his actions." hmm.. I can see where that statement would tickle the ears of works-salvationists. The value of our actions will be evidences for, or against a man's being in a state of righteousness, yet that still does not mean we are saved by works. Read what Augustine said:
Augustine: "Grace is give to you, not wages paid to you...it is called grace because it is given gratuitously. By no precedent merits did you buy what you have received. The sinner therefore received this grace first, that his sins should be forgiven him...good works follow after a justified person; they do not go before in order that he may be justified...good works, following after justification, show what a man has received."
Augustine: "Now, having duly considered and weighed all these circumstances and testimonies, we conclude that a man is not justified by the precepts of a holy life, but by faith in Jesus Christ,--in a word, not by the law of works, but by the law of faith; not by the letter, but by the spirit; not by the merits of deeds, but by free grace."
I often hear Roman Catholics quote the Church Father in their effort to support their unbiblical teachings, so keep in mind that the ECF were not infallible. I have also heard Roman Catholics say that prior to the Reformation, nobody taught "faith alone," yet to the contrary, we find:
Basil: "This is the true and perfect glorying in God, when a man is not lifted up on account of his own righteousness, but has known himself to be wanting in true righteousness and to be justified by faith alone in Christ."
Jerome: "When an ungodly man is converted, God justified him through faith alone, not on account of good works which he possessed not."
Chrysostom: "Again, they said that he who adhered to faith alone was cursed, but he shows that he who adhered to faith alone is blessed."
Bernard of Clairvaux: "Shall not all our righteousness turn out to be mere unrighteousness and deficiency? What, then, shall it be concerning our sins, when not even our righteousness can answer for itself? Wherefore...let us flee, with all humility to Mercy which alone can save our souls...whoever hungers and thirsts after righteousness, let him believe in thee, who "justified the ungodly"; and thus, being justified by faith alone, he shall have peace with God."
I'm so shocked I can't even answer right now!!!From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not obtained or maintained by works.
In Matthew 12:37, Jesus said - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." Yet Clement of Rome said we are not justified by our words?
Ignatius said "those who profess themselves to be Christians will be recognized by their conduct." In Matthew 7:15-16, Jesus said - “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. “You will know them by their fruits. Likewise, Christians will be recognized by their fruit.
Justin Martyr said - "Each man goes to everlasting punishment or salvation according to the value of his actions." hmm.. I can see where that statement would tickle the ears of works-salvationists. The value of our actions will be evidences for, or against a man's being in a state of righteousness, yet that still does not mean we are saved by works. Read what Augustine said:
Augustine: "Grace is give to you, not wages paid to you...it is called grace because it is given gratuitously. By no precedent merits did you buy what you have received. The sinner therefore received this grace first, that his sins should be forgiven him...good works follow after a justified person; they do not go before in order that he may be justified...good works, following after justification, show what a man has received."
Augustine: "Now, having duly considered and weighed all these circumstances and testimonies, we conclude that a man is not justified by the precepts of a holy life, but by faith in Jesus Christ,--in a word, not by the law of works, but by the law of faith; not by the letter, but by the spirit; not by the merits of deeds, but by free grace."
I often hear Roman Catholics quote the Church Father in their effort to support their unbiblical teachings, so keep in mind that the ECF were not infallible. I have also heard Roman Catholics say that prior to the Reformation, nobody taught "faith alone," yet to the contrary, we find:
Basil: "This is the true and perfect glorying in God, when a man is not lifted up on account of his own righteousness, but has known himself to be wanting in true righteousness and to be justified by faith alone in Christ."
Jerome: "When an ungodly man is converted, God justified him through faith alone, not on account of good works which he possessed not."
Chrysostom: "Again, they said that he who adhered to faith alone was cursed, but he shows that he who adhered to faith alone is blessed."
Bernard of Clairvaux: "Shall not all our righteousness turn out to be mere unrighteousness and deficiency? What, then, shall it be concerning our sins, when not even our righteousness can answer for itself? Wherefore...let us flee, with all humility to Mercy which alone can save our souls...whoever hungers and thirsts after righteousness, let him believe in thee, who "justified the ungodly"; and thus, being justified by faith alone, he shall have peace with God."
Are you saying the ECF's are those that would come after? As wolves?
Personally, I don't care what Augustine said...he's after the ECF's anyway.
Ignatius knew Peter and John.
Justin Martyr learned from Irenaeus who learned from John.
So you think they taught UNBIBLICAL teachings???
I had to stop reading....am in a hurry.
I won't reply more to this,,,you are free to believe whom you will.
Those that were taught by the Apostles themselves,
or those who have come up with their own doctrine.
Your choice.
I'd love to go through how what they said was unbiblical,,,,but it's not worth the time.
thanks EG,,,you're so understanding.
BTW, I can't save myself.
It wasn't ME on that cross.
What silly things I hear.
I judge no one here.
But some here SURE DO judge me!!
How about reading 80,151 and answering to those verses?From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not obtained or maintained by works.
In Matthew 12:37, Jesus said - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." Yet Clement of Rome said we are not justified by our words?
Ignatius said "those who profess themselves to be Christians will be recognized by their conduct." In Matthew 7:15-16, Jesus said - “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. “You will know them by their fruits. Likewise, Christians will be recognized by their fruit.
Justin Martyr said - "Each man goes to everlasting punishment or salvation according to the value of his actions." hmm.. I can see where that statement would tickle the ears of works-salvationists. The value of our actions will be evidences for, or against a man's being in a state of righteousness, yet that still does not mean we are saved by works. Read what Augustine said:
Augustine: "Grace is give to you, not wages paid to you...it is called grace because it is given gratuitously. By no precedent merits did you buy what you have received. The sinner therefore received this grace first, that his sins should be forgiven him...good works follow after a justified person; they do not go before in order that he may be justified...good works, following after justification, show what a man has received."
Augustine: "Now, having duly considered and weighed all these circumstances and testimonies, we conclude that a man is not justified by the precepts of a holy life, but by faith in Jesus Christ,--in a word, not by the law of works, but by the law of faith; not by the letter, but by the spirit; not by the merits of deeds, but by free grace."
I often hear Roman Catholics quote the Church Father in their effort to support their unbiblical teachings, so keep in mind that the ECF were not infallible. I have also heard Roman Catholics say that prior to the Reformation, nobody taught "faith alone," yet to the contrary, we find:
Basil: "This is the true and perfect glorying in God, when a man is not lifted up on account of his own righteousness, but has known himself to be wanting in true righteousness and to be justified by faith alone in Christ."
Jerome: "When an ungodly man is converted, God justified him through faith alone, not on account of good works which he possessed not."
Chrysostom: "Again, they said that he who adhered to faith alone was cursed, but he shows that he who adhered to faith alone is blessed."
Bernard of Clairvaux: "Shall not all our righteousness turn out to be mere unrighteousness and deficiency? What, then, shall it be concerning our sins, when not even our righteousness can answer for itself? Wherefore...let us flee, with all humility to Mercy which alone can save our souls...whoever hungers and thirsts after righteousness, let him believe in thee, who "justified the ungodly"; and thus, being justified by faith alone, he shall have peace with God."
They're from the bible, direct.
HOW do you explain those?
We do in love,,,sure.
So why don't you ever agree with me?
It sounds like you're saying we are NOT to DO...
(as usual).
Jesus Himself said we will be judged by our works and deeds.
What more can I say?
This idea that all one has to do is believe, in some kind of way, will not cut the mustard when one gets before God.