Not By Works

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Pisteuo said:
Faithing is a word in the Greek , the English doesn't have a verb form of Faith like the Greek . Yup , that's what's called a stumbling block . You've already fell into it and have made your bed there , yours and your households .

So your very welcome for showing you the way out . Unless your to comfortable there . If so , that's on you !
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Man, listen carefully....you showed us nothing....serious.....so...get over yourself, your fake made up words that contradict the very drivel you peddle about the English and go bark somewhere else.....and I should thank you...for showing me that you have gone to seed on some fanciful, fairy tale word that has no bearing on faith and the salvation that is afforded men by mere BELIEF AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of said belief!
 
Studyman said:
Why don't we rid our mind of the influence of so many religions, and just let God's word's define our doctrines?
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yeah good question, mr. religious study man.

why don't you stop talking about 'religious traditions' and start discussing the scripture you are trying so hard to avoid?

Matthew 17:24-27

show me what it really means ?
you are capable of studying, aren't you? i mean that's why you call yourself that, right?
i presume you can do it.
i presume you aren't stupid.
i presume you are capable.

get to it.
dig.
enough excuses, enough diversion, enough slander and malicious speech.
actually talk about this scripture. show us the Salvation of God in it.
i'll wait :)
 
dcontroversal said:
Man, listen carefully....you showed us nothing....serious.....so...get over yourself, your fake made up words that contradict the very drivel you peddle about the English and go bark somewhere else.....and I should thank you...for showing me that you have gone to seed on some fanciful, fairy tale word that has no bearing on faith and the salvation that is afforded men by mere BELIEF AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of said belief!
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So you don't even acknowledge pisteuo is the verb form of Pistis . Do you even acknowledge pisteuo us a Greek word ?
 
Pisteuo said:
Are you seriously saying a book of the Bible is not a manuscript ? I digress .
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The list I am referring to is not a manuscript, but, a list. The first list of the boks of the Bible were drawn up by Pope Damasus.
 
Pisteuo said:
Faithing is a word in the Greek , the English doesn't have a verb form of Faith like the Greek .
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The English may not reflect all the nuances of the Greek words pistis/pisteuo, but does come closer than "faithing." When pistis/pisteuo are reduced down to the lowest common denominator, the fundamental translation of pistis/pisteuo is trust/to trust. If you consult the more reputable Greek dictionaries you'll find this to be true.

If you feel the Vine's definition is accurate, why not support your argument by demonstrating how the word is used in the NT, rather than only insisting it is.

The link below list all the uses of pisteuo in the NT. Do a little leg work and see if you can support your point. You can find all the uses of pistis using the same resource.

https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/pisteuo
 
Splagna said:
The English may not reflect all the nuances of the Greek words pistis/pisteuo, but does come closer than "faithing." When pistis/pisteuo are reduced down to the lowest common denominator, the fundamental translation of pistis/pisteuo is trust/to trust. If you consult the more reputable Greek dictionaries you'll find this to be true.

If you feel the Vine's definition is accurate, why not support your argument by demonstrating how the word is used in the NT, rather than only insisting it is.

The link below list all the uses of pisteuo in the NT. Do a little leg work and see if you can support your point.

https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/pisteuo
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Been doing the " legwork " for 33 years at a Stanford University level of teaching .

Thanks for not having me spend a week taking with you about pisteuo , just to find out you reject the Greek dictionarys definition . At least your honest about it .

If you can't accept a simple Greek word and the correct definition to that word , why would you think I'm going to talk about God's word with you , it's not yours yet if you haven't received the Spirit of Christ first . And we don't receive the Spirit of Christ until we start , tested , and accepted by Him , our surrendered life .

If you really want to see how pisteuo should be correctly interpeted in Scripture , just take one of the 248 mistranslated passages , remove the mistranslated word , either ( believe , believer , or believing )and just replace it with the correct definition of the original Greek word pisteuo . Which is , "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth ."

If your serious about a conversation , you better be able to accept certain facts . Not my opinions , facts .
 
Pisteuo said:
Been doing the " legwork " for 33 years at a Stanford University level of teaching .

Thanks for not having me spend a week taking with you about pisteuo , just to find out you reject the Greek dictionarys definition . At least your honest about it .

If you can't accept a simple Greek word and the correct definition to that word , why would you think I'm going to talk about God's word with you , it's not yours yet if you haven't received the Spirit of Christ first . And we don't receive the Spirit of Christ until we start , tested , and accepted by Him , our surrendered life .

If you really want to see how pisteuo should be correctly interpeted in Scripture , just take one of the 248 mistranslated passages , remove the mistranslated word , either ( believe , believer , or believing )and just rlsceoy with the correct definition of the original Greek word pisteuo . Which is , "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth ."

If your serious about a conversation , you better be able to accept certain facts . Not my opinions , facts .
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Hahhahahahahaha Stanford he says......ooohhhh that for sure makes you right........NOT!

How about this fact.....you don't know what you are talking about and made up imaginary words to try and peddle som self help guru working for dogma = poppycock!
 
dcontroversal said:
Hahhahahahahaha Stanford he says......ooohhhh that for sure makes you right........NOT!

How about this fact.....you don't know what you are talking about and made up imaginary words to try and peddle som self help guru working for dogma = poppycock!
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For instance ?
 
dcontroversal said:
Hahhahahahahaha Stanford he says......ooohhhh that for sure makes you right........NOT!

How about this fact.....you don't know what you are talking about and made up imaginary words to try and peddle som self help guru working for dogma = poppycock!
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You got nothing but names and misrepresentation . Oh ya , and your mistranslation .
 
posthuman said:
the Jews never had a list of the books of Moses??

weird.
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That is one you responded to that I have on my IGNORE LIST.

VERY WEIRD. Who Said the Jews never had a list of the books of Moses? I imagine if you told that one to a JEW, he would be Rolling on the Floor Laughing for DAYS.


All he or she had to do was was LOOK IT UP ON THE WIKIPEDIA:

Torah (/ˈtɔːrə, ˈtoʊrə/; Hebrew: תּוֹרָה‬, "Instruction", "Teaching" or "Law") has a range of meanings. It can most specifically mean the first five books (Pentateuch) of the 24 books of the Tanakh, and is usually printed with the rabbinic commentaries (perushim).

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J70x7 said:
The Jews never had a list of the books of the Bible; the first list of the boks of the Bible were drawn up by Pope Damasus.
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doesn't at least the Septuagint date from ~ 500 years before this pope?

ok i guess you don't consider 'the Bible' to exist until the point in time that the gospels and epistles et al of the NT are all finished being written.

what does that have to do with whether salvation is by works or not?
is your hypothesis that evil pope wickedly suppresses apocryphal books which, if only had been canonized, would prove we're not saved by looking to Jesus Christ?
 
dcontroversal said:
Keep dreamin pal........and keep peddling a faux word, definition, and your working for drivel....<---leads to the "many" group Jesus spoke of........
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Ok , then tell everyone what the correct definition of pisteuo is if the Strongs and Vines are wrong .

Strongs : " pisteuo means NOT just to believe ."

Vines ,: " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender ."

Yours : ?
 
Canon Of Sacred Scripture

1. How many books does the entire Bible contain?
Seventy-two or seventy-four, depending on the way they are calculated

2. How do we know with certainty that the Bible contains only these books?
We know with certainty that the Bible contains only these books because the number is fixed by the "Canon of the Scriptures."

3. What is meant by the word "Canon"?
"Canon" is a Greek word that means a standard or rule.

4. What is meant by the "Canon of Scriptures"?
Originally, the Canon of Scriptures meant the qualifications required of a book before admittance into the number of recognized inspired writings; now it means the very collection of these books recognized as inspired.

5. Who decides which books belong to the Bible and which do not?
The Catholic Church decides.

6. By what authority does the Catholic Church make this decision?
By that of Christ, Who has made her the infallible teacher of faith and morals by both the oral and the written word.

7. What special mark was required of a book before its admittance into the collection known as the Bible?
The special mark required was clear proof of its inspiration.

8. By whom was the first list of the books of the Bible drawn up?
Pope Damasus, at the Roman Council of 382 A.D.

9. By what name are those books, whose authenticity was never questioned, known?
They are known as the Proto-Canonical Books.

10. Why are they so called?
They are so called because from the beginning they were recognized as Scriptural; the Greek prefix "proto" has the signification "from the first" or "originally," hence the use of the term "proto-canonical" to describe those books.

11. By what name are the disputed books known?
They are known as the Deutero-Canonical Books.

12. Why are they so called?
They are so called because their recognition as Scriptural came "afterwards"; the Greek word "Deutero" used as a prefix has the signification of "second" or "later."

13. Name the Deutero-Canonical Books.
Tobias, Wisdom, Baruch, Ecclesiasticus, Machabees (I & II), Judith, Esther (Ch X. v. 4 to end), Daniel (Ch. III, vs. 52-93). The Protestants call them "Apocryphal" Books.

14. Why did the Hebrews not admit these books as part of the Bible?
As a whole, the Hebrews stopped admitting these books after the second Century A.D., because they were written in languages other than Hebrew, or were of uncertain authorship.

15. Did the Hebrews ever formally rejected these books?
On the contrary, even if they did not accept these books as part of the Bible, they were always held in the greatest reverence by the Hebrews.

16. Under what guidance does the Church declare which books are canonical and which are not?
Under the guidance of the Holy Ghost.

17. How do we know that she has this guidance?
We know that she has this guidance because Christ promised assistance to His Church until the end of times [Matthew 28:20].

18. Has the Church made use of human means in drawing up the Canon of Scriptures?
Yes; she investigated carefully whether the doctrine taught in the book was in harmony with Tradition and whether the book was of apostolic origin.
 
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