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Of course, and I knew you would.
Nope, sorry, Scripture disagrees with you about the process of salvation. You're incorrect.
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I never said HS was Christs father. You should stop assuming.
It is blasphemy to think The HS is not a person..
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So in your understanding , " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender , producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth ," ( the Vines definition of pisteuo ) , we aren't really surrendering our life ? We are personally surrendering to the fact of recieving all the promises in His word ?
You did a good job making it seem to make sense , but you know it doesn't , right ?
You've taken half truths ( Faith in , confidence in , entrust , reliance in Him , ) and based it all on something we receive , not something we surrender .
Pisteuo , the verb form of Faith is act , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence . All that is needed is an " object " of Faith . Your object of Faith is His promises , not God the real living person . We don't personally surrender ourselves to receive spiritual gifts.
The definition is " a personal surrender " TO " Him . "
We are personally surrendering something to him . Then it goes on to say " a life inspired by such surrender " we make decisions daily that support what we personally surrendered to Him .
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You definitely did not say he wasnt or provethatHS is a Being. HS overshadowed Mary and she conceived! this is disgusting ! I am fixing to watch Cowboys and Saints!
The Holy Spirit, He does not take up Residence In a Person until HE BIRTHS that Person's Human Spirit into to eternal life.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Don't you know that almost every one of us BELIEVE IN THE TRINUNE GOD!
YOU JUMPED INTO A TRINITY BELIEVING SITE.
Matthew 28:19 (NIV)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Just so you know, we also BELIEVE that Mormonism is a Psuedo Christian Cult.
Looking in a mirror are YOU?
1 Timothy 3:6 (NKJV)
6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.
Sorry just because you believe a pagan doctrine and believe the HS is a MALE BEING and the Bible says he overshadowed Mary and she became pregnant , that is plainly saying you think the HS is Christs father! That is blasphemy! And you ought to be ashamed! I am ashamed for you.
I could care less if I jumped into a Triune god site , and why do I care if you don't like Mormons. Maybe you think I am a Mormon and are trying to insult me, Sorry again but I am not a Mormon ! LOL!
I notice you are using "WE" is this the royal we, or are you the spokesman for the group? If so you need to have a collective Bible Study and see what other doctrines need scrutinized , deeply search and ask the real God for guidance!
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD'S POWER, HIS INTELLECT, HIS WILL A TOOL TO DO HIS WILL ! NOT SOME MALE BEING WHO MADE MARY PREGNANT BUT AS THAT VERSE SAYS THE POWER OF GOD! God the Father is Christs Father!
No Christ was not an angel He was the Rock. Jehovah , The God of the OT who gave the ten Commandments to Israel And in the NT came in human flesh to show them how to keep them in the Spirit by example and teaching
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
To fulfil the law means to keep it fully Read all of Matt 5 and you can see what that means He kept the law in the Spirit!
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
A Christian has the laws of God written in their hearts by the HS at baptism and the laying on of hands and does not try to find every little excuse in the world not to obey God!
Like I keep saying if you are born again Christ says you are spirit, if so fly over here and show me, then I will believe you BUT I DON"T SEE THAT HAPPENING! I really think you are still flesh and blood! That's in John 3 !
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS is as filthy rags.
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
If we stand before God covered by Christ's righteousness, we are not guilty, we are judged as righteous. By faith we have Christ's righteousness imputed to us and are justified by Grace.
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Justification by grace does not mean we can continue in sin, or working works of sin. When Jesus is in us sanctification will be seen. Sanctification is imparted by grace also.
If Jesus is in you, what type of works should be seen?
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
If we stand before God covered by Christ's righteousness, we are not guilty, we are judged as righteous. By faith we have Christ's righteousness imputed to us and are justified by Grace.
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Justification by grace does not mean we can continue in sin, or working works of sin. When Jesus is in us sanctification will be seen. Sanctification is imparted by grace also.
If Jesus is in you, what type of works should be seen?
In post #76,636 - https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works.146296/page-3832#post-3780224 I asked Suzy if she was a Mormon, but never received an answer.What made me question this was when she said - "We see we have to change, repent and be baptized so we are baptized and by the laying on of hands receive the H. S"[/QUOTE
Why would I tell you what Church I go to when all you would do is attack it? You people that think you know everything and are above reproach need to repent of your sins,you are greatly lacking!