Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

...The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...........works do not save or keep saved regardless of any and all proof texts you yank out of context to try and prove that which is false

 

[Suzy37]

Ok, who is this directed too?? Lol

To Studyman

 

[dcontroversal]

It is vitally important to know the difference between born and begotten. We are begotten when we receive the HS not born. We will be born when resurrected and given a spirit body, then we will have eternal life. We do not now
We have a new life in Christ Jesus because we are converted not born again, We have repented, we have the mind of Christ, our outlook has changed. we are going the opposite direction now. We are not born again tho, that is an actual happening at the 1st resurrection.

I am glad you understand there are works to be done, faith is a part of that, knowing there is a God who directs us to do good works , now what do you think these good works consist of ?

John 3-6 is very informative but again the vital key is when we understand the difference between born and begotten Jh3 tells us when we are born of the spirit we will have a spirit body which we do not now, now we are begotten . When resurrected we will be born again and have life eternal, we only have the promise of that now! We are on the path of salvation but not there yet!

BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE BY INCORRUPTIBLE SEED...........

THAT which is BORN of SPIRIT is SPIRIT........

I really suggest you start over at square one and be open to the truth....every thing you post is full of holes and errors......

 

[Argueless]

...The Children of the Devil Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:42-47

 

[dcontroversal]

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. John 7:18


...“As for the person who hears my words but DOES NOT KEEP THEM, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for THE ONE WHO REJECTS ME AND DOES NOT ACCEPT MY WORDS; that very word which I spoke WILL CONDEMN HIM AT THE LAST DAY. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I KNOW THAT HIS COMMAND LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:47-50

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.......I constantly point to Christ 100% so....again you yank some verse or two to try and set me in my place and make me look bad while making you look like all that and a bag of spiritual chips......

WORKS...do not save or keep saved.....GENUINE faith already took care of that free, irrevocable gift!

 

[Argueless]

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...........works do not save or keep saved regardless of any and all proof texts you yank out of context to try and prove that which is false

Listening and Doing
... My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:19-27

 

[Suzy37]

I disagree again, It states of people who know God and are part of the church, but nothing says they were born again.

Imagine having the truth in your hand, and when push comes to shove, You go back to the lie you already had faith in to begin with. It will be far worse for you. Because unlike many who never were enlightened, You had it and said no.

If we read the restof the passage, this is made clear.

7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.


Notice it bore no fruit, and like pauls version, when he said our works will be tried by fire, has nothing but ashes to show for it. Yet in both cases, it says they were nor cursed (condemned) but near to being cursed, or saved but only through fire..


The message is clear, If they fall away (if it were possible, like the law states it is) then they could not be renewed (hgoing back to law is useless because if you fell yu can never be renewed. Unless christ came to die again, putting him to shame)

It is very plain to me they are converted Christians who fall but if you don't want to believe that what abt the ones who are blotted out of the book of life or as Rev 22 says "their part taken out of book of life," is it that you do believe once saved, always saved ? What you call saved, and what I believe is the first step in salvation I call converted (changed) is what I am seeing here. But to me that is wrong because that is the first step and it is possible to lose out. We are warned abt that many times in Bible!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The two laws- more than just two. Love God toward contain the first four commandments and love to neighbor the last six. They define our love toward God and man.

1Jn 5:2　 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jn 5:3　 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Of course good works are required, else we would be practicing sinners . God created us unto good works and it is thru Him we are able to do so. Having the mind of Christ, the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by His HS, not our works but God's !

All ten of those commandments we are to love and keep !

I just said what jesus and others said


Matthew 22:37- 40
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Romans 13:8
[ Love Your Neighbor ] Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”\\

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;


As for the commands, No one can keep the ten perfectly thats why they are a tutor to lead us to christ, they expose sin, they were not given to show us how to not sin,

 

[Suzy37]

I just said what jesus and others said


Matthew 22:37- 40
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Romans 13:8
[ Love Your Neighbor ] Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”\\

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;


As for the commands, No one can keep the ten perfectly thats why they are a tutor to lead us to christ, they expose sin, they were not given to show us how to not sin,

 

[Argueless]

two kinds of wisdom
... Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is very plain to me they are converted Christians who fall but if you don't want to believe that what abt the ones who are blotted out of the book of life or as Rev 22 says "their part taken out of book of life," is it that you do believe once saved, always saved ? What you call saved, and what I believe is the first step in salvation I call converted (changed) is what I am seeing here. But to me that is wrong because that is the first step and it is possible to lose out. We are warned abt that many times in Bible!

It is clear to me that they are not

Again, I will not be present at the rev 22 judgment, If you are sved, You will not also. So not sure why you keep talkin gabout it

Also. Everyone is written in the book of life (becausze. Christ died for everyone) those who reject his grace gift, will be blotted out.. How do we know them? They do not obey Gods commands.. Whils those who are saved do..

Obedience is a description, not a requirmement, of those who are saved.. Those who have faith will obey,, Maybe not perfectly. But if they had no works, their faith is dead. And they were never saved

 

[Magenta]

Just a reminder to those of you who are affectionately inclined towards either JesusLives or tourist... today is their wedding anniversary They met on CC and married I think it was four years ago... Speak Your Mind may be a good place to congratulate them, as JesusLives is a regular poster there, and possibly tourist also... Tourist also has his Midnight Confessions thread in Singles

 

[dcontroversal]

Listening and Doing
... My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:19-27

Look....Arguemore can cut and paste scripture out of James.....clap clap clap clap.....

It still does not equate to a salvation that is earned, kept or maintained by works.......SHOW ME.....

Therefore, we conclude that a man is justified by FAITH WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law <---PAUL in context.........

 

[Suzy37]

Yes! on these two laws hang all the other , they contain the 10 Commandments as I just said ,love to God and neighbor, as long as we realize that and not try to ignore the ten that's true ! The whole Bible is written around those Ten Commandments!

The Ten are not just a tutor to lead us to Christ , He came to magnify the law, to expand it to the Spirit He came to bring us the new covenant with the laws written in our hearts! The New Covnant !


Heb 8:10　 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The Church is the israel of God

Gal 6:16　 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[dcontroversal]

Just a reminder to those of you who are affectionately inclined towards either JesusLives or tourist... today is their wedding anniversary They met on CC and married I think it was four years ago... Speak Your Mind may be a good place to congratulate them, as JesusLives is a regular poster there, and possibly tourist also... Tourist also has his Midnight Confessions thread in Singles

Midnight confession thread......wowwwwww.....that sounds like a late night radio program for AAAAAdults HAHHA

 

[dcontroversal]

It is clear to me that they are not

Again, I will not be present at the rev 20 judgment, If you are sved, You will not also. So not sure why you keep talkin gabout it

Also. Everyone is written in the book of life (becausze. Christ died for everyone) those who reject his grace gift, will be blotted out.. How do we know them? They do not obey Gods commands.. Whils those who are saved do..

Obedience is a description, not a requirmement, of those who are saved.. Those who have faith will obey,, Maybe not perfectly. But if they had no works, their faith is dead. And they were never saved

Fixed the typo........20 not 22.....

 

[Suzy37]

It is clear to me that they are not

Again, I will not be present at the rev 22 judgment, If you are sved, You will not also. So not sure why you keep talkin gabout it

Also. Everyone is written in the book of life (becausze. Christ died for everyone) those who reject his grace gift, will be blotted out.. How do we know them? They do not obey Gods commands.. Whils those who are saved do..

Obedience is a description, not a requirmement, of those who are saved.. Those who have faith will obey,, Maybe not perfectly. But if they had no works, their faith is dead. And they were never saved

You are missing my point -They were once written in the Book of Life , they were once what you call saved or they wouldn't have been written in book of life at all ! I don't think you are one of them at all ,please do not think I am saying that but these were once converted or saved to you and lost it! Very Sad!

 

[Suzy37]

Gotta Go and do works (cook supper) Enjoying our talk!

 

[Suzy37]

Fixed the typo........20 not 22.....

Rev 22:19　 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
THANKS anyway appreciate it!

 

[Magenta]

Midnight confession thread......wowwwwww.....that sounds like a late night radio program for AAAAAdults HAHHA

Co-incidentally I am constructing a template with some text from the AA big book on it right now