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I would have you know, EVERYONE ON THIS SITE, believes the Body of Jesus died for US,
and the Spirit in JESUS is GOD, and is the three personages - The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit, and ONLY ONE DEITY.
The difference between JESUS CHRIST, and everyone of us is:
The human spirit in all US was Created by the CREATOR
The Spirit In JESUS WAS and IS THE CREATOR.
So where are you coming from ? ? ?
If you are a Baptist- YOU are a cultist.
cult
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
So were you looking in a mirror when you said that?
Are you a Jehovah Witness ? ? ?
I am a Non-Denominational Conservative Evangelical.
The Baptist are Conservative Evangelicals.
So are almost everyone else here, all hail from Conservative Evangelicals,
with a few Liberal Evangelicals mixed in too.
So what are YOU ? ? ?
Yep TheQuestion admits He Is ONE. " #74,072 ", a Charles Taze Russell Disciple. You say the Kingdom Hall has made them like our Churches, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
This site will all of the mainline Churches do not recognize them as being part of the Church.
https://www.thekingscentre.org.uk/blog-full/2017/7/24/why-the-jehovahs-witnesses-are-cult
If you will want to be discipled in the TRUTH, we will accommodate you. But You have been lied to by the Kingdom Hall, the Watchtower Society, and BY CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL. And we can PROVE IT TO YOU. We also have proof the NWT was tampered with, and the Watchtower Translation Team added their comments to the BIBLE, as if it were the WORD OF GOD, and hid it so it looks like the WORD of GOD, when it is NOT. You have to abandon your attack on Christianity attitude, and ask us for Help.
HERE IS THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE in the KJV of what they DID to John 1:1 and Verse 14:
John 1:1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
So you have to decide in 24 Hours or we will have to put you on our Permanent IGNORE LIST:
This site will all of the mainline Churches do not recognize them as being part of the Church.
https://www.thekingscentre.org.uk/blog-full/2017/7/24/why-the-jehovahs-witnesses-are-cult
If you will want to be discipled in the TRUTH, we will accommodate you. But You have been lied to by the Kingdom Hall, the Watchtower Society, and BY CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL. And we can PROVE IT TO YOU. We also have proof the NWT was tampered with, and the Watchtower Translation Team added their comments to the BIBLE, as if it were the WORD OF GOD, and hid it so it looks like the WORD of GOD, when it is NOT. You have to abandon your attack on Christianity attitude, and ask us for Help.
HERE IS THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE in the KJV of what they DID to John 1:1 and Verse 14:
John 1:1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
So you have to decide in 24 Hours or we will have to put you on our Permanent IGNORE LIST:
ROFL
What does technology have to do with the concepts expressed of what beliefs are required to be a Christian. The early elders knew what was required and created the creeds. Are you trying to say they were wrong. Methinks you are not understanding that the early elders knew what beliefs are required to be a Christian. Trying to discredit the creeds this way smacks of being anti Christian.
SAYING THE WORDS DOES NOT SAVE.
BORN AGAIN is IN THE HEART, where the human spirit is. IF IT IS STILL DEAD, all those WORDS ARE MEANINGLESS.
John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
Hebrews 10:22 (NKJV)
22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
Intellectually acknowledging it is true with your brain, and SAYING THE WORDS DOES NOT SAVE!
1 Timothy 1:5-6 (NKJV)
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,
Romans 10:9-10 (NKJV)
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Believing the WORDS, with what LIES BETWEEN YOUR EARS, SAVES NO ONE. EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE THAT MUCH.
YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE WITH YOUR HEART.
Have you ever said a prayer, MEANING IT WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART, something like THIS:
"Lord, forgive me, my life is Utterly Sinful. I cannot live the way you want me too, COME INTO MY HEART AND DO IT THROUGH ME. I willingly surrender control of my life to YOU."
That is what we are TALKING ABOUT, NOT THE MEMORIZED WORDS OF THE APOSTLES CREED.
I said that kind of prayer, after my third attempt at SUICIDE the last week of 1977. I MEANT EVERY WORD OF IT WITH MY WHOLE BEING. I KNEW I WOULD NEVER TAKE IT BACK. It was a TOTAL surrender out of LOVE FOR HIM, begging HIM to take CONTROL of my LIFE. AND SOMETHING CAME ALIVE IN ME IN MY HEART. I knew it was the HOLY SPIRIT birthing my Human Spirit into ETERNAL LIFE. Yes, it took time to REALIZE THAT, as I hungered for the WORD OF GOD. But that NEW LIFE in me, NEVER WENT AWAY, AND I TOTALLY TRUSTED JESUS WITH MY LIFE. HOW DO I KNOW HE REALLY TOOK CONTROL OF MY LIFE ? ? ? You tell me HOW a Nebraska farm boy, can become a Volunteer Prison Chaplain, WITH NO BIBLE COLLEGE EXPERIENCE, in the baddest Prison in California, WITHOUT CHRIST BEING IN CONTROL OF HIS LIFE? HE keep opening the DOORS, and I kept trusting HIM. I had NO IDEA, how to start a Prison Ministry, BUT I TRUSTED THAT HE KNEW ALL ABOUT IT. There were no Volunteers at the Prison where HE HAD ME START A PRISON MINISTRY, because they had just built it. So I just kept going through the open doors, TOTALLY TRUSTING HIM, and HE WAS FAITHFUL to give me the ability, TO DO WHAT I COULD NOT DO ON MY OWN.
That Born Again experience, IS VERY, VERY REAL. Please Come, and TRUST HIM.
The Hebrew sets forth the trinity.....of course I expect a JW to reject it......the following is absolutely true.....
Hebrew has the following...
Singular = 1
Dual = 2 or pairs
Plural = 3 or more
God breathed into Adam the breath of LIVES <--KJ translates the word life, yet in Hebrew it is PLURAL which is 3 or more....
Physical LIFE
Intellectual LIFE
Spiritual LIFE
3 in 1 <----Just like God
Intellect <--Heavenly Father
Physical <--Jesus
Spiritual <--Holy Spirit
The KJV got the trinity right in the Genesis passage and also in 1 Peter.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Man's trinity: body, spirit and soul
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yep in the bolded, but in Genesis they DID NOT translate the word properly...the word is LIVES not LIFE........and listen....we have had this dance....I USE a KJV bible.....and I also KNOW it is a translation/transliteration which was compared to previous ENGLISH versions......it was put together by Episcopalian Priests for the leader of the CHURCH of England....so.............!!
Mark 8: 34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever (Jew or gentile) will come after me, let him deny himself, ( Something we do, the Christ doesn't do this for us) and take up his cross, (Something we do, the Christ doesn't do this for us) and follow me. (Something we do, the Christ doesn't do this for us.)
"Follow" Greek= "akoloutheo" ( as a particle of union) and "keleu-thos" (a road), to be in the same way with, to accompany, follow, reach.
Matt. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, (something we do, the Christ doesn't repent for us) ye shall all likewise perish.
And if one believes that the true Christ is actually the Word of God which became Flesh, as do I, there are many more of His "Sayings" which instruct us to "do something" in order to receive His Mercy.
Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that (DO) love me, and (DO) keep my commandments.
And the Christ brings this same message home in Matthew 7;
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
To preach that humans have "no works" is a deceit. We all have works. Before Christ, and after Christ we have works. To say we don't is a falsehood. But those who want the Salvation that only the Christ can provide has to "deny" their Works, and "Follow" the Works of the Word of God which became Flesh. The above is a perfect example of a religion which calls the Christ their Lord, but does not "DO" what He instructs them to "DO".
Eve had Works, they just were not the "works" of God.
24 Therefore whosoever (Jew or Gentile )heareth these sayings of mine, (Word of God) and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
26 And every one (Jew or Gentile) that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Well, there you go Billy. According to the Christ and His Word's, "Whosoever" comes to Him must "DO" HIS, the Word of God which became Flesh, Sayings.
When He showed this to the Mainstream Preachers of His time they killed Him. Today they would just put Him on ignore.
This is much harder to accept if a person, as was Eve, is convinced they are already immortal, already saved.
I am fairly confident that Bill does not by your working for Cainology that equates to a false gospel with no power to save a flea, much less a man.....why is it so hard for you to grasp the truth that it is the simple act of faith that saves and justifies a man before GOD? The bible is replete with this eternal truth and yet in your religious dogma YOU must embellish it to the point that one who believes your dogma will END up in the "MANY" that say LORD LORD have we not DONE.....
I understand how much of God's Word threatens your religion just as it did to the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's Time. Billy asked a question, and I posted the scriptures he asked for.
It is by "Faith" that Abraham denied himself (Left his fathers home) took up his cross ( accepted his mortality) and "followed" the Word of God which became Flesh. (heard His saying, and DID them)
It is by Faith that I believe the scriptures I have shared with Billy. I knew I would be attacked by you or other members of the Mainstream religions of the land, just as the Messiah said. But you are not the Judge, and you did not shed your blood for me, so I don't "follow" your religion. My Faith is in the Word which became Flesh, and it is His Sayings that I build my life on, not the Popes, or Jimmy Swaggart, or you.
No offence!!!
You're out of your mind if you think I feel threatened by the word of God and or your drivel......Works do not save, keep saved, top off salvation, embellish salvation regardless of how many verses you yank out of context to peddle that dogma....
well, studyman does not believe that Jesus was fully God and fully man. he thinks Jesus was just a really good guy.
I have him on ignore. nothing to see there.
Work's do not save, Christ's Blood does. But not everyone who says Lord, Lord, get's to use His Blood to atone for their sins. There are "many" who call Him Lord, who are not "worthy" of His Blood. That is His Word's not mine. For you to preach in a manner that hides this Biblical Truth is a travesty and someone needs to stand up to you guys and point these things out.
Yes, I know I will be hated, and ridiculed and called names and you will mentally "Stone me" every time I post scriptures which expose your religious "traditions of men". But even if only one person can see the difference between what you preach, and what the Word of God which became Flesh teaches, it will have been worth your scorn.
Your unbelief in many of the scriptures do not make them Void.
Yes, I do believe the Word of God became a Man. And I also believe He was a good Man, who laid down His Life for me.
I understand you don't believe He was in the flesh, and risked nothing because He wasn't a man, but an immortal God who couldn't die.
The Bible has already judged you in this belief.
I and Paul will DIFFER WHEN YOU, many because of this VERSE:
Galatians 2:20-21 (NKJV)
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Exactly.
But in post 71,450 you posted verses in answer to my question which you quoted
So the works required of a genuine believer do not save us as you rightly say above, its the blood of Christ that saves us.
So why post all those verses if as you say "Works do not save us?
The works we do are as a result of this genuine saving faith we have placed in our Lord and Saviour.
Ephesians 2:8-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Hi Endoscopy, my point is a person can "trust in saying a creed" instead of "trusting in Jesus Christ" and think that they are saved just like VCO explained to you. Technology has to do with the bible being placed in the hands of true believers, we did not have that ability to mass produce bibles years ago. The creed in today's world is about as useful as a "buggy whip" is today.
Praise God that He saved VCO in spite of the creed that he was trusting in. How many more people are there who are trusting in your religious traditions and Church liturgy just like VCO was doing. Honestly for you to be so insensitive to a person who could miss the Gospel Message and put their trust in saying a creed, makes me think that unsaved person could be you.
We have "the Bible" to tell us "what beliefs are required to be a Christian", saying a creed is as useful as a "buggy whip", today and could cause a lost sinner to trust in your creed instead of trusting in Jesus Christ. The honest truth is, "creeds discredit themselves", with no help from me and likewise your points are as useful as "buggy Whips." today.
Your old and crusty "creed" is as useful as "buggy whips" today. Hey Endo, you can trade-in your "ancient camel", for a "brand new", Global Automotive Manufacturing High-Performance BMW Electric Vehicle.
This mentality has always astonished me. Some actually believe that somehow this sentence makes the Word's of the Christ Void. It's like you post the two scriptures, then choose which one you "believe" based on whatever your religious tradition is. I don't think this is how God's Word works. I believe both scriptures are saying the same thing.
If Christ is in me, what is in me? Is it not His Word's?
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God".
How can I have Christ in me and not have His Word's in me?
24 Therefore whosoever (Jew or Gentile )heareth these sayings of mine, (Word of God) and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And in Christ, how am I made righteous, or how is my "unrighteousness" (sin) taken away? Do I find a Levite Priest and give him a goat for him to perform Priesthood "Works of the Law" given by God through Moses to make me righteous? There was a time when this was true. These Priesthood duties were "ADDED" until the Christ should come.
But this same "Word of God which became Flesh" said there would come a time when "HE" would forgive my sin. When He would administer His Laws and write them on our hearts. (Jer. 31) Do you see this VCO? There would come a time when there would be no more "Levite Priests" to perform the "Works of the Law" to take away my "unrighteousness". The Messiah would become our High Priest and shed His Own Blood for by unrighteousness (sins).
So then it is His Blood, His sacrifice, His Grace which takes away my unrighteousness to make me righteous. Not the "Law" of atonement given to the Levites 430 years after Abraham.
But the Mainstream Church of that time was still preaching the Levitical Priesthood. They were still pushing sacrificial "Works of the Law" for cleansing sin. They didn't believe in the Messiah and His Promised "change" in the Priesthood. They still taught that "righteousness" came from the cleansing laws given by God to Levi.
Paul is telling them that forgiveness, cleansing or "righteousness" does not come through the "LAW", but through the Christ whose shed His own Blood for them.
Had the Pharisees not "omitted" so much of the Word's "Sayings", and had they been like Zechariahs, the Wise men, Anna, Simeon, and would have known the Christ when He came.
So the Biblical truth is that Paul in Galatians is saying the same thing that Jesus said, taught the same things that Jesus said.
But religious man, because they have been convinced that God's instructions are against them, as was Eve, don't listen to "EVERY WORD" of God. They teach that Paul's words supersedes the Word of God which became Flesh. That Paul teaches "against" God's Word in Galatians. But if you use EVERY WORD of God in our consideration, we see that this belief is not true.
That Christ in me, means "His Sayings" are in me. Even His Promise of becoming our High Priest even though He wasn't a Levite.
So the Biblical truth is Paul is agreeing with the Christ, and I am in "belief" of them both.
It is no longer my words, or my works, but the Christ's sayings and the Christ's Works which are in me. And he is now the High Priest, and He performed the Priesthood duties required to make me "righteous" once and for all. If I still believe, as did the Pharisees, that righteousness comes from the cleansing laws given to Levi, I have "set aside" the Grace of God.