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UserX18 said:
I’ve said all that needs to be said, so you all can go along and argue with the word of God.
But it just hurts me so much, how blinded people are, to the truth of the gospel, I’m talking about the word of God, someone is talking about my life, you folks can’t jujust accept how true and plain, the word of God is, when it comes to holy living, you bring in greek fables, just to support your devilish claim of being saved and living in sin.

Christ came to give us a pure heart. Now if you have a pure heart, where is the sin coming from? Search the whole bible, it is talkinh about holy living from genesis to revelation..

Please just repent, believe inin Christ and be saved from this grace of the devil.
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Well i think you just showed yoru true colors. We are not arguing the word of God, or against being obedient, We are arguing a salvation based on ones works. And those who teach it.

But since you continue to try to hash that out. I will take it you also believe this works based Gospel. In other words, your not here to argue the word, but your self righteousness. Which you evidently think God demands for payment for your sin.

Good lukc with that man. You will get no love here for that. And if your not. Your shown as just argumentative, taking what people say out of context. Refusing to admit you made a mistake

Either way, You starte of bad.
 
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UserX18 said:
You see, I’m not unaware of the schemes of the devil, I’m telling you the truth about the bible, you’re talking about my life.. you think I’ll defend my self and instead of the bible.
No.

This is about God’s words not me hypocrite.

Believe in God’s word and Be saved.
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This is about justification. Not sanctification.

Again, Either you teach works, or your in the wrong thread. Show some humility and say what your purpose for attacking people teaching grace is.
 
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oldethennew said:
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dc,
think you might have me mixed-up with somebody 'else' -
I definitely don't think that you are 'evil or lost, or blasphemous, or a troll!
quite the opposite...

where'd that come from???
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His post on my COMPUTER is address to Deade. I have noticed it is occasionally a bit glitchy when it assigns the name of the person that is the original poster.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Not a fair assessment at all.....she called me evil, lost, blasphemous and a troll because I believe we play a part in leading men to the truth by witnessing and proclaiming the word....how about the facts and a fair assessment of what really went down?????
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Hi DC my precious brother in Jesus.

I have been reading some of the stuff that has been said to you.

As you know in the past we have discussed how we (you/me) interact with people.
There have been times when I have expressed the words that you have written do seem harsh at times.

But I must say that is down to the good old English culture.
I wouldn't put things the way you do.
But as you know I have admitted many many times that I consider myself to soft.
It's not that I'm a pushover, and yes believe it or not I can be firm and get het up.

Over the last couple of years there is one thing that I have come to realise about you.

You do genuinely love people.
You love them enough to tell the the truth and it's always in love as a result of love and wanting to see people set free in Christ.

Jesus himself was so kind and loving to those who sought him out but was also harsh in his words towards those who tried to pervert his Gospel (which I think he did because it was the only way he could get his point accross to the brood of vipers)
As did the Apostles (you foolish Galatians)

You are a true man of God.
A brother in Jesus and a brother that I would walk with all the way.

A soppy "Love ya bro" from this side of the pond.

Bill
 
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UnderGrace said:
All it takes is a moment to make us an unbeliever?

Moment seems a little vague though?

mo·ment
ˈmōmənt/
noun
noun: moment; plural noun: moments
  1. 1.
    a very brief period of time.
    "she was silent for a moment before replying"
    synonyms:little while, short time, bit, minute, instant, second, split second;
    informalsec
    "he thought for a moment"
Can you define it a little more according to scripture?

So you have never had a moment when you have acted contrary to the commandments?
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Well it seems he does teach salvation is earned.. to bad!
 
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VCO said:
Romans 7:13-25 (NKJV)
13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
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GOOD so are you using your mind or your flesh. And pplease answer those questions I possted earlier..
 
You do not know what salvation means, I’m not here to argue.



If you know what salvation is, you’d believe Jesus and believe his words..



Salvation is by grace - God gave us his son for free, that is salvation, if you believe..



Now you’re saved, if you fail to bear fruits you’ll be cut off..



Now you’re saved, if you live holy lives, you’re bearing fruits of righteousness..

Fruits of Righteousness folks, fruits of righteousness..



The Whole Scriptures speaks about this..



If you live sinful lives you’re not bearing fruits..



(this is the simplest form I think it can be put.)





If you really knew what salvation was, you’ll believe the book of james, we were saved by grace, but faith without works is dead..





Ask yourselves, if you believe in God and have the holy spirit. Will you or will you not bear fruits..





The one who said Jesus is deity, you want to use devilish schemes to divert me to another topic.. just go look up, 1 Corinthians 15:28KJV..



Jesus, Our King, Our Savior, Our Lord, is the son of God, our Father.



You cannot change the bible, you cannot alter the word of God.



Anyone who has ears to hear, let him hear, anyone who has eyes to see, do see.
 
UserX18 said:
You do not know what salvation means, I’m not here to argue.



If you know what salvation is, you’d believe Jesus and believe his words..



Salvation is by grace - God gave us his son for free, that is salvation, if you believe..



Now you’re saved, if you fail to bear fruits you’ll be cut off..



Now you’re saved, if you live holy lives, you’re bearing fruits of righteousness..

Fruits of Righteousness folks, fruits of righteousness..



The Whole Scriptures speaks about this..



If you live sinful lives you’re not bearing fruits..



(this is the simplest form I think it can be put.)





If you really knew what salvation was, you’ll believe the book of james, we were saved by grace, but faith without works is dead..





Ask yourselves, if you believe in God and have the holy spirit. Will you or will you not bear fruits..





The one who said Jesus is deity, you want to use devilish schemes to divert me to another topic.. just go look up, 1 Corinthians 15:28KJV..



Jesus, Our King, Our Savior, Our Lord, is the son of God, our Father.



You cannot change the bible, you cannot alter the word of God.



Anyone who has ears to hear, let him hear, anyone who has eyes to see, do see.
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No your the one who does not know what salvation is!

Salvation is not wishy washy, It is not something that can be given and lost. That is not salvation at all.

Paul warned us against people like you. Who teach we are saved by grace, but then must perfect that salvation by works. And he was not to happy about it. In fact he called them fools! Is that what you are? You claim salvation by grace, yet proclaim it can be lost if you do not earn it. Thats exactly what they taught also!

No one here is claiming you can be saved and never
 
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dcontroversal said:
I hear ya brother.......yet I am a troll, blasphemous, lost, in error and evil because I believe we play a part in leading people to Christ because we witness, plant, water, co-labor, proclaim and preach the word..........

Paul was clear....by doing the above WE PERSUADE MEN................and the scripture states as much.....
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While I have disagreements with you I believe you are my brother in Christ. Disagreements are allowed outside of the creeds. So with you I agree to disagree with you!!
 
eternally-gratefull said:
That would be you my friend. The pharisees thought they were saved by their good deeds also. And that salvation was only for those who obeyed. Not for the sinner.

Jesus shuned them also.
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May be semantics but technically Jesus did not shun them.

He did a DC on them:cool: Sorry DC couldn't help myself.


Matthew 23:1-36
1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.
3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments.
6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,
7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’
8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’
17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
18 And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’
19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.
21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it.
22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.
26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.
28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt.
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,
35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
 
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Salvation is not by works, neither can it be perfected by works,

As a proof that the spirit of God LIVES in you, you’ll bear fruits of righteousness.. that cannot be simple for you i know..

In revelation where JEsus saays he’ll take out the light. I know that is nott simplee enough for you either.

The examples i listed, Saul, Ananias, Gauis, and you, if you were ever saved.

Just because I put the worrdd of God without corruption, it hurts you?

Without holiness, you cannot enter the kingdom of heeaavven.
Now christ gave us pure hearts, if you still sin, how is your heart pure?

Where is the sin cooming from?
Are you walking after the flesh, or after the spirit. Please answer...

You don’t want to agree with the word of God, because your father, the devil, has held you in sin, and you refused to healed of his grace.

It is evident, that you want to coontend.. when the bible is lear. ✌🏿
 
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