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TruthTalk said:
Hi Jewel I agree with E-grateful, enjoy your time off work. I'm from So. Calif. High Desert near Edwards Air Force Base where they use to land the Space Shuttle.

God bless!
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Wow! So getting any fires or draught? We get rain every day or every other day..the gloom affects people's moods etc..
 
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dcontroversal said:
If I may interject a thought....the spirit that is born from above by incorruptable seed does not sin (1st John) However, we in this dead body of sin that is not subject unto the word of God does sin.....and when we are weak and not transformed in mind we are apt to sin more than not.....maybe what was meant...??
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Absolutely..well said ;)
 
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dcontroversal said:
If I may interject a thought....the spirit that is born from above by incorruptable seed does not sin (1st John) However, we in this dead body of sin that is not subject unto the word of God does sin.....and when we are weak and not transformed in mind we are apt to sin more than not.....maybe what was meant...??
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Lol..d..I'm used to being a youth group leader so tend to over simplify things..lol
 
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Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”

dcontroversal said:
Do you keep the law 24/7/365....nope....so...you do not submit to the law...it condemns you as guilty, you have never kept it, nor will you ever! Very deceived of you think you keep it.....
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One can sin and still submit to His Laws, but they will not live a life ruled by sin.

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin* (#G266), transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

*#G266 hamartian ἁμαρτίαν sin

1 John 5:18, "We know that everyone having been born of YHWH does not sin* (#G264), but the one having been born of YHWH guards himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.”

*#G264 hamartanei ἁμαρτάνει, continue to sin

it's not keep it perfect or throw it out.

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
 
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Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע

eternally-gratefull said:
Sadly your on the legalism side,

When you come to the middle with the rest of those who put their faith in grace and seeking the things of the spirit, by learning the law of love, you will finally be free, like we are.
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Except you claim to be free from the Creator;s Law, I claim to be free from living a life dedicated to sin:

John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”
 
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Shamah said:
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע



Except you claim to be free from the Creator;s Law, I claim to be free from living a life dedicated to sin:

John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”
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Your not free from anything, Your still trying to make yourself righteous so you can be granted entrance into heaven, Your no different than the jews you follow. And that law you strive so hard to follow. it will condemn you if you do not turn from your self righteousness, and look to Jesus.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your not free from anything, Your still trying to make yourself righteous so you can be granted entrance into heaven, Your no different than the jews you follow. And that law you strive so hard to follow. it will condemn you if you do not turn from your self righteousness, and look to Jesus.
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You don't know me and you spin of saying I donlt look to the MEssiah when I constantly talk about hearing and obeying Him...

What you call self righteousness, I call being a bond slave of the Messiah. Submitting to His way not mine.

1 Peter 2:16, “as free, yet not using your freedom as a cloak for evil, but as servants of the Mighty One.”

“servants” is word #G1401 δοῦλος doulos (d̮ou'-los) n.
1. (involuntarily) a slave.
2. (of necessity) a bond-servant.
3. (figuratively) a voluntary, fully devoted servant.
{literal or figurative, involuntary or voluntary; frequently, therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency}
[from G1210]
KJV: bond(-man), servant
Root(s): G1210

BOttom line if YHWH puts His Spirit and His Law into ones heart they are going to love it and want to do it.

They are not going to hate it and reject it.


Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/are-the-words-of-the-messiah-above-all-else.165791/

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/messiah-as-the-branch.166259/

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/what-is-the-yoke-of-messiah.178880/

John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
 
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TruthTalk said:
Living the dream, protecting our National Forest's and looking for the 2nd coming of our Savior Jesus Christ
all at the same time,

God bless!
The Dawt Mill, Mark Twain National Forest
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With one correction...waiting for the body presence of Christ AFTER the great tribulation ;)
 
Studyman said:
I said Christ did not come to destroy the Law. I said what He said. I posted His Word's and asked questions about His Words. I think it is important to listen to what He is saying and Let His Word guide us. I'm really not interested in this religion or that religion.

The way you framed your question implies that you equate Fulfill with Destroy. This distinction is important as it is central to what the Christ is saying. If we don't have the correct meaning for "Fulfill" then we will not understand the passage. Would you agree?

If I have said something that is non-Biblical, please show me. If I have said something that is contrary to the religious traditions of man, maybe that is a good thing. I was hoping we could just clear our mind of all the different religious voices out there and just concentrate on what is actually being said

So given we are speaking of Matt. 5, and His promise NOT to destroy the Law OR Prophets. Doesn't it make sense in our discussion to come to terms with His Word's here, before we move on?
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In my last post, I thought I made it clear that I did not mean to imply that fulfill means destroy. I do not believe that fulfill means destroy or anything like it. So let us move on. Christ came to fulfill the OT, he did not come to destroy the OT. I get that and so let us move on.

Use your words or the words of Messiah/Jesus, it does not matter to me, but here again is the questions:
1) Did Jesus fulfill all of the law of Moses? You seem to indicate that he did not, but that there is more to be fulfilled later. So if the Law of Moses has not been fully fulfilled by Jesus, are we to continue to live under the Law of Moses until Jesus comes again and finally fulfills the entire Law of Moses.

2) How did Jesus change the Priesthood? Tell me all you know about the Priesthood of God and how it is different from OT times and NT times. Thank you, again use your words or the words of Messiah/Jesus.
 
Jewel5712 said:
"NEED" is the key word..God doesn't NEED..he WANTS us to FREELY love and be obediant
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Now I must totally disagree with your Conclusion that I highlighted in Red. Those are the Two sides of the Same Glove.

How do you plan to be obedient to this verse WITHOUT LOVE:


Leviticus 10:3 (NKJV)
3 And Moses said to Aaron, "This is what the LORD spoke, saying: 'By those who come near Me I must be regarded as holy; And before all the people I must be glorified.' " So Aaron held his peace.


And How do you plan to be obedient to these verses WITHOUT LOVE:


1 John 4:18-19 (HCSB)
18 There is no fear in love; instead, perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. So the one who fears has not reached perfection in love.
19 We love because He first loved us.


How do you plan to Strive to Be OBEDIENT to This verse WITHOUT LOVE:


1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,
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I know you have a right to your own opinion, but I still see that GOD has Needs and GOD has Wants in reference to HIS CREATION, which is US. Like I said it is the Two Sides of a Glove.

2 Peter 3:9 (NCV)
9 The Lord is not slow in doing what he promised—the way some people understand slowness. But God is being patient with you.
He does not want anyone to be lost, but he wants all people to change their hearts and lives.


Is that NOT both a NEED and a WANT? GOD NEEDS TO BE TRUE TO HIS WORD, THAT IS WHAT JUSTICE IS ALL ABOUT.
GOD NEEDS to be a JUST GOD, therefore HE WILL DO what HE does not WANT TO DO, which is:
"he wants all people to change their hearts and lives."
 
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