Not By Works

[BillG]

what does 1 Cor 15:2 mean about believing in vain?

You tell me.

There are a lot of believers who do not know what true grace is.
That was I was trying to convey

 

[TruthTalk]

What a horrible fake gospel it is to think that by confessing with my mouth the Lord Jesus, and that by believing in my heart that God hath raised Jesus from the dead, that I will be saved.

Wow, geesh, wow, is that the most horrible fake gospel you have ever heard of?

Now you can really see what these
"horrible fake gospels", are all about.

Here you go again "twisting my words"; I never said confessing and believing in my heart that God raised Jesus from the dead was horrible, I said "Your fake gospel", was horrible and it is. You also twist and misinterpret the bible in this way, and yes that is horrible as well.

Putting false words on a public forum that I "never ever said", is at least akin to lying, if not actually lying.

 

[justpassinthrough]

that fits snugly into the gospel
nothing wrong with the verse
but your understanding (as well as bens) is flawed

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life


if this "he" cannot speak

he is still saved

by grace through faith


if he can speak

and does believe

obviously he will confess it

because we who are born again are not ashamed of Him

No interpretation.
No “explanation”

Just read what the verse says.

• with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Please just read what the Bible so plainly says.




JPT

 

[theanointedsinner]

You tell me.

There are a lot of believers who do not know what true grace is.
That was I was trying to convey

free gift
no requirement, no matter how awkward, or "that's it?" (no requirements attached) your heart may feel, that your heart may feel "so eerie", yet being blessed by such a generous God, ... ooh, what is this our hearts feel, desire to love him back? Jesus suffered for us to the point of deprivation, we feel bad for Jesus, and want to hold Jesus in our arms like a vulnerable creature that's faint but breathing ... um, I'm just a layperson, I really need to work in my theology or something

 

[theanointedsinner]

Here you go again "twisting my words"; I never said confessing and believing in my heart that God raised Jesus from the dead was horrible, I said "Your fake gospel", was horrible and it is. You also twist and misinterpret the bible in this way, and yes that is horrible as well.

Putting false words on a public forum that I "never ever said", is at least akin to lying, if not actually lying.

twisting words? blasphemy!

maybe this is a sign to "shake our dust off our feets" if people are willing to be dishonest even to that extent, even if people can click on the blue name and compare the copy to the original to see if it's exact.

 

[star]

If it was plain and simple then we wouldn’t have over 3000 pages of heated debate.

So with that said, are you referring to initial salvation where we are born again, or the salvation we will receive on the Day of Judgement when we are judged according to our deeds?


JPT

We have one gift of salvation and one time for it. Judgment decides whether or not our rewards hold up or if we receive any at all. How many times do you think you can be saved?

 

[star]

Then explain Romans 10:9, which directly says if a man confess.....he will be saved.

Read all the other scriptures (in context) where we are explained how to be saved.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

what does 1 Cor 15:2 mean about believing in vain?

1 Corinthians 15
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

this is paul
speaking to a church

in this church there are many who have heard the truth

those who STAND in it are saved (brothers)


those who turn from it
are not
their "belief" was not genuine

paul cannot see their hearts

but he is addressing brothers

as well as the goats mixed in with the sheep <- belief lacking in faith (no trust... doesnt endure... no confidence.... no trust ... not born again... no new heart ... no quickened spirit)



those who believe in vain are of this sort
1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


or this sort
Romans 1:28

“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”




but we (brothers) are not of them

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[theanointedsinner]

We have one gift of salvation and one time for it. Judgment decides whether or not our rewards hold up or if we receive any at all. How many times do you think you can be saved?

as many times as it takes for Jesus to die for sin and save the souls of those who believe, once

 

[NoNameMcgee]

We have one gift of salvation and one time for it. Judgment decides whether or not our rewards hold up or if we receive any at all. How many times do you think you can be saved?

i once heard someone say you can be "saved" 10,000 times the day before you die

and still end up in the lake of fire



*sigh*......some people dont seem to know what savED means

 

[BillG]

free gift
no requirement, no matter how awkward, or "that's it?" (no requirements attached) your heart may feel, that your heart may feel "so eerie", yet being blessed by such a generous God, ... ooh, what is this our hearts feel, desire to love him back? Jesus suffered for us to the point of deprivation, we feel bad for Jesus, and want to hold Jesus in our arms like a vulnerable creature that's faint but breathing ... um, I'm just a layperson, I really need to work in my theology or something

I'm a layperson as well.
But I would say that Jesus was not a vulnerable creature.
He died for us vulnerable so he could put his arms around us.

 

[theanointedsinner]

*insert sarcasm here*
listen to this song and be saved

Michelle Branch - All You Wanted (Video)

If you want to
I can save you
I can take you away from here

^your saved, enjoy, lol

 

[BillG]

as many times as it takes for Jesus to die for sin and save the souls of those who believe, once

Yes once

 

[justpassinthrough]

Hi NoName, theologians say the same thing, first comes belief our salvation a gift of God and then we confess with our mouth which is a work of the mouth. They are trying to mix our actions with Gods free gift of eternal salvation. You are absolutely correct.

Romans10:10

10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…​

Too bad the scripture doesn’t teach that.


Repent means turn to God is submission to His kingdom and rule as Lord.

By default if you are called to turn to God, then you are called to turn away from Satan as your lord.

The is the obedience of faith by which we are saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.


32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. Matthew 10:32-33


JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

some people just refuse the simplicity which is in Christ

(anyone who doesnt accept we are saved by grace through faith and not of works)

Yes. He asks us to obey the Gospel by confessing Him as Lord.


Pretty simple.

 

[justpassinthrough]

We have one gift of salvation and one time for it. Judgment decides whether or not our rewards hold up or if we receive any at all. How many times do you think you can be saved?

Just once.

Our salvation will be determined at the end of our faith, once it has been tested are tried and found to be true.

• receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.

6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:6-9



Some will depart from the faith.

• some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1




JPT

 

[blue_ladybug]

You forgot to add and, "you can lose" your eternal salvation and that salvation is by works. Eternal Life is a free gift and no one can snatch us out of His hands. Your fake gospel leads you to fear of losing your salvation and never knowing if I am in or out of salvation.

Yes it is a horrible insecure gospel that you promote.

This is TruthTalk's original post, in response to Benhur.

Ben, why is it that you can't understand that works DO NOT and WILL NOT save you? They have no power to save. They have no ability to keep you saved. Lastly, they will NOT get you into heaven.

That $5 you gave the neighbor kid for mowing your lawn won't save you. Shoveling an old ladies' driveway won't save you. Donating to charities won't save you.

We are ONLY to do good works, for the purpose of obeying God and showing His love to others through us.. anything done for any other purpose, in done totally in vain.

 

[theanointedsinner]

for those who are struggling with doubts of salvation

may we pretend that Jesus is singing this song to us

Glenn Mederios - nothing gonna change my love for you

nothing gonna change my love for you
you ought to know by now, how much I love you

 

[theanointedsinner]

short and sweet

Ephesians 2:8-9
comes before
James 2 - faith without work is dead

done,

let's bow our head in prayer

 

[blue_ladybug]

short and sweet

Ephesians 2:8-9
comes before
James 2 - faith without work is dead

done,

let's bow our head in prayer

Works done for the sole purpose of gaining, keeping and maintaining salvation, are also dead and in vain..