Not By Works

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TruthTalk said:
Forgiveness of course; will God forgive all of our sins, yes he will, do we sometime stubbornly refuse to forgive people who have offended us yes of course, forgiveness takes time.

Will God take away our gift of salvation because of lack of forgiveness of course not, Jesus is teaching on the importance of forgiveness, not how to loose your salvation. There is only one unforgivable sin, and it is not un-forgiveness.

You have taken the application of this passage Matthew6:14,15, too far.
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Did the merciful king go too far when he took his gift away from the debtor and put him in prison for not forgiving?

Did the Husbandman go to far to lop off branches that were in Jesus because they did not produce enough fruit?

Get used to it, if you are a disciple of Christ, you are going to be busy, because the HS wil be prompting you to know what good works Jesus prepared for you to do. So stay busy.
 
NoNameMcgee said:
you are a liar

the Lord is not slack concerning His promises
He keeps every one of them
I've already explained every point you keep trying to make when you take these verses out of context but you keep asking the same questions unable to learn the truth
it is crazy to me how blind you are when so many brothers and sisters keep trying to help you and shine light on the truth
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I am not a liar. The reason God can go back on what he said is because people do not keep the promise. They reject God and so Jesus rejects them and pulls the promises he made. Jesus will not force any man to eternal life with God and Jesus. If you think about it, Jesus's promises are only as good as your word as a believer. (see the parable of the vine, the merciful king, and the sheep and the goats).

I am not a troll. I read what you say, but I do not believe what you say. You are an OSAS type Christian, and most Christians do not believe that doctrine. Decon says it could be 90% do not. I believe him.
 
benhur said:
It is a big difference, but unto works, still means your going to be busy doing the same kinds of good works the Lord did. If you think that will burden you, then some will not get saved.
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Unto means that you will work, By means your saved because of (like your preaching) hige difference

If you think gods work is a burden, then you have no faith in god, because he said his burden is liht

But your faith is in your works, not god, no matter what you say, you done roved that.
 
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benhur said:
I am not a liar. The reason God can go back on what he said is because people do not keep the promise. They reject God and so Jesus rejects them and pulls the promises he made. Jesus will not force any man to eternal life with God and Jesus. If you think about it, Jesus's promises are only as good as your word as a believer. (see the parable of the vine, the merciful king, and the sheep and the goats).

I am not a troll. I read what you say, but I do not believe what you say. You are an OSAS type Christian, and most Christians do not believe that doctrine. Decon says it could be 90% do not. I believe him.
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God does not make mistakes dude, i wish you would stop humanizing my God by saying he can make a mistake and save someone b accident because he did not know his faith was the tye of faith that endures.
 
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HOW CAN ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT "FAITH ALONE SAVES" VOID OF ANY SORT OF WORKS AND "ONCE SAVED YOIU ARE ALWAYS SAVED" YET IS NOT WORTHY OF CHRIST FOR NOT OBEYING AND DOING WHAT HE SAYS?

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

DO YOU NOT WORK WHEN HE TELLS YOU TO CARRY YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW HIM? DO YOU NOT WORK WHEN HE ASKS YOU TO LOVE HIM MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE?

New International Version 1984 Matthew 10:37-39 “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

2 John 1:6-11 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
 
benhur said:
Did the merciful king go too far when he took his gift away from the debtor and put him in prison for not forgiving?

Did the Husbandman go to far to lop off branches that were in Jesus because they did not produce enough fruit?

Get used to it, if you are a disciple of Christ, you are going to be busy, because the HS wil be prompting you to know what good works Jesus prepared for you to do. So stay busy.
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God wants a love relationship with us, not a bunch of busy bodies. If you don't refresh your horses they will die.
Your example of the unforgiving servant is a good one but it is an extreme example. There is not one sin that God will not forgive us even unforgiveness.

You are promoting works, plus you can lose you salvation, that is not what the bible teaches, repent.
 
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Seohce said:
HOW CAN ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT "FAITH ALONE SAVES" VOID OF ANY SORT OF WORKS AND "ONCE SAVED YOIU ARE ALWAYS SAVED" YET IS NOT WORTHY OF CHRIST FOR NOT OBEYING AND DOING WHAT HE SAYS?

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

DO YOU NOT WORK WHEN HE TELLS YOU TO CARRY YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW HIM? DO YOU NOT WORK WHEN HE ASKS YOU TO LOVE HIM MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE?

New International Version 1984 Matthew 10:37-39 “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

2 John 1:6-11 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
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Seohce said:
HOW CAN ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT "FAITH ALONE SAVES" VOID OF ANY SORT OF WORKS AND "ONCE SAVED YOIU ARE ALWAYS SAVED" YET IS NOT WORTHY OF CHRIST FOR NOT OBEYING AND DOING WHAT HE SAYS?

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

DO YOU NOT WORK WHEN HE TELLS YOU TO CARRY YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW HIM? DO YOU NOT WORK WHEN HE ASKS YOU TO LOVE HIM MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE?

New International Version 1984 Matthew 10:37-39 “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

2 John 1:6-11 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
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John 14:15-31 “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. “All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me. “Come now; let us leave.
 
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Fear of losing our salvation doesn't produce love. It is those who have been fully forgiven who fully love. And the good works that are so loudly being declared as necessary is love in all its forms. It is a strange thing to me that those who want people to have good works, come against freedom which true love and thus true good works require.
 
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Cee said:
Fear of losing our salvation doesn't produce love. It is those who have been fully forgiven who fully love. And the good works that are so loudly being declared as necessary is love in all its forms. It is a strange thing to me that those who want people to have good works, come against freedom which true love and thus true good works require.
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Amen, thats why we can look at the most severe suffering as momentary light affliction, when we realise our eternal life is secure, the 70 years or more of this life pales in comparison wih eternity.
 
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Cee said:
Fear of losing our salvation doesn't produce love. It is those who have been fully forgiven who fully love. And the good works that are so loudly being declared as necessary is love in all its forms. It is a strange thing to me that those who want people to have good works, come against freedom which true love and thus true good works require.
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Well said, in Christ we are free indeed, the modern day pharisee would come along and in quick order take away all of our freedom in Christ to live a holy and productive life and they would pile endless does and don'ts and rules and regulations to our freedom in Christ, no joy, no love, no worship, just a bunch of rules and regulations to follow. Simply said empty religious works.
 
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