Not By Works
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Jesus used these words in Matthew 6, but then declared the doctrine in Matthew 18:23-35 in a parable. So IOW, this saying was not hyperbole. Good try. I agree some words are hyperbole, but not the doctrine of forgivness. It is important that you have that kind of mindset to Jesus.
Glad I am still secure in Christ....he promises the never leave me nor forsake me.....unlike the workers for and the I save myself crew......
You know.....Jesus was very clear when he said the following....
MANY (PLENTEOUS IN NUMBER) will come before me saying, "LORD, LORD have we not done MANY wonderful works in your name, have we not cast out demons in your name, have we not prophesied in your name and he will say to them two things....
a. I NEVER knew you
b. DEPART from me ye workers of INIQUITY
What can we honestly glean from these truths....
a. They ( the LOST) claimed to KNOW JESUS <--they called him LORD twice
b. They fully expect to enter the kingdom based upon "A" and the fact that they have done many wonderful works in his name, cast out demons in his name and uttered prophetic utterances in his name.
IT is a fact that MOST religions that name CHRIST believe and or teaches the above in some form or fashion.....we can also glean that they were NEVER SAVED which goes to the root of their problem.....they have trusted into a gospel of a different kind which had no power to save.
THEY erroneously ASSUMED that their WORKS proved they were saved and also that their WORKS had earned them the right to enter....FOLKS the blending of FAITH and WORKS to gain, keep, embellish or top off salvation as a done deal is a lethal combination with eternal results.....
WE are saved BY FAITH and FAITH ALONE into the finished work of CHRIST....ANYTHING that takes away the glory from Christ and places it upon self is NOT of GOD....
WORKS or GRACE.....ONE or the OTHER....BOTH FOR SALVATION = a FALSE gospel with NO POWER to save.....
IT pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE!
MANY (PLENTEOUS IN NUMBER) will come before me saying, "LORD, LORD have we not done MANY wonderful works in your name, have we not cast out demons in your name, have we not prophesied in your name and he will say to them two things....
a. I NEVER knew you
b. DEPART from me ye workers of INIQUITY
What can we honestly glean from these truths....
a. They ( the LOST) claimed to KNOW JESUS <--they called him LORD twice
b. They fully expect to enter the kingdom based upon "A" and the fact that they have done many wonderful works in his name, cast out demons in his name and uttered prophetic utterances in his name.
IT is a fact that MOST religions that name CHRIST believe and or teaches the above in some form or fashion.....we can also glean that they were NEVER SAVED which goes to the root of their problem.....they have trusted into a gospel of a different kind which had no power to save.
THEY erroneously ASSUMED that their WORKS proved they were saved and also that their WORKS had earned them the right to enter....FOLKS the blending of FAITH and WORKS to gain, keep, embellish or top off salvation as a done deal is a lethal combination with eternal results.....
WE are saved BY FAITH and FAITH ALONE into the finished work of CHRIST....ANYTHING that takes away the glory from Christ and places it upon self is NOT of GOD....
WORKS or GRACE.....ONE or the OTHER....BOTH FOR SALVATION = a FALSE gospel with NO POWER to save.....
IT pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE!
These parables are meant to show us what kingdom living is like. The parable of the unforgiving servant is an extreme example of someone who was forgiven yet did not forgive a fellow servant a debt. Jesus told Peter to forgive 7x70 (never stop forgiving).
You have taken a parable about teaching people to forgive and turned it into, "God's going to take away", your eternal salvation if you do not forgive someone. Again as usual your interpretations of scriptures are misguided and your applications are dead wrong.
The goal is to be like Jesus and forgive even our enemies, we all need to be more like our Savior Jesus.
Almost perfect, not yet.
I agree with you totally, benher adds his own twisted ideas of interpretation and then he exaggerates his application of his wrongful interpretation.
If it were up to benhur we would all be headed south, just crazy.
Again I must say, if you have wrongly interpreted scripture, you will always produce a wrong application.
"Wrong interpretation = wrong application", always. A hard lesson to learn for some.
"Wrong interpretation = wrong application", always. A hard lesson to learn for some.
I know people, one of them was a work colleague who lost his faith in the second world war. He became an atheist and if he knew you were a Christian he would persecute you. It was seeing the horrors of war that caused him to lose his faith in God.
Now read what the Bible says about people who turn against Christ. If the Bible says it can happen, then rest assured it can.
I understand about what you say, I am a Christian since 1978 I was baptized and made a public confession of my faith in Jesus Christ and never looked back.
I am also a Vietnam Veteran and have stage 4 prostate cancer caused by agent orange while I was in Vietnam. There is no cure only treatment and most people on this thread understand my situation, it isn't anything new.
Also every person who has been in combat will experience post traumatic stress syndrome in different degrees. To some, one word can trigger a traumatic event like it just happened yesterday.
I know you understand about the 4 soils and maybe your WWII friend was one where the word of God fell on stony ground and did not take root in his life. I'm not disputing what you say just want to understand your point of view.
Some people receive the word eagerly and later they fall away for their own personal reasons.
1John2:19
They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
God bless!
God bless!
THAT IS A BIG AMEN! The only thing that I could add is this: Without the inner, personal, LOVE relationship with JESUS CHRIST as your personal LORD (meaning Master), you to will hear the words from HIM, "I NEVER KNEW YOU!"
I pray that the NON-Born Again, would get as EXERCISED about KNOWING HIM, instead of how many works they do.
Galatians 2:20-21 (ESV)
20 I have been crucified with Christ.
It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.
And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God,
who loved me and gave himself for me.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God,
for if righteousness were through the law,
then Christ died for no purpose.
Remember too, that we are saved unto what? Good works that Jesus created for us to do. So I am not too mistaken. Maybe there are a lot of Christian who do not understand the concept of being saved unto good works. And if you love me keep my commandments, and if you love me follow me and if you love me obey my word, etc., etc., etc.
I am not a Child and we do not need a baby sitter like you to tell us what our personal responsibilities are. We all very well know what our lord expects from us, go peddle your nonsense elsewhere. Arrogance at wholesale.
He does. He believes that we are saved unto good works. What do you think that means?
Jesus has given us the opportunity to repent of our sins. I do repent if and when I feel I have not listened to the HS and sinned. That is the biblical way to stay on the path to eternal life.
Do you even preach the concept of repentence, since your OSAS concept clearly makes repentance irrelevent?
benhur has not a single trace of humility, his arrogance and counterfeit gospel is beyond belief.
I stress good works because you will have nothing to do with good works. But just becaue I believe that good works is a part of salvation does not mean that I am NON-Born Again. I have had the baptism of the HS, just like you, but I believe now that I have been saved unto the good works that Jesus has created for me, and if I do not do those good works it is as if I reject the HS and deny him.
Not good to deny the HS.