And this equation is false and not of God...everything after grace turns it into a false gospel with no power to save a flea, much less a man!
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And this equation is false and not of God...everything after grace turns it into a false gospel with no power to save a flea, much less a man!
James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so belief without works is dead also."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so belief without works is dead also."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
Not hardly....the bible does that....not some book creed put together by men....get over it!
Nice embellishment of James and taking a question and making it into a statement...no wonder you peddle a law based false gospel.....wow!
Matthew 24:14, "“And this Good News of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come."
Revelation 14:6-7, “And I saw another messenger flying in mid-heaven, holding the everlasting Good News to announce to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, saying with a loud voice, “Fear Elohim and give esteem to Him, because the hour of His judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea, and fountains of water.”
Mark 1:15, “and saying, “The time has been filled, and the reign of Yah has come near. Repent, and believe in the Good News.”
Mark 1:15, “And saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom (932) of Yah is at hand; repent (3340) and believe in the gospel (2098).”
Luke 24:47, "and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His Name to all nations, beginning at Yerushalayim."
Mat 3:8, "“Bear, therefore, fruits worthy of repentance,"
Acts 17:30, “Truly, then, having overlooked these times of ignorance, Yah now commands all men everywhere to repent.”
Acts 3:19, "“Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master,"
Mat 4:17, "From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”
Luke 4:43, "And He said to them, “To the other cities I also have to bring the Good News: the reign of Yah, because for this I have been sent.”
Luke 8:1, "And it came to be, afterward, that He went through every city and village, proclaiming and bringing the Good News of the reign of Yah, and the twelve were with Him,"
Matthew 28:19-20, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Revelation 14:6-7, “And I saw another messenger flying in mid-heaven, holding the everlasting Good News to announce to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, saying with a loud voice, “Fear Elohim and give esteem to Him, because the hour of His judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea, and fountains of water.”
Mark 1:15, “and saying, “The time has been filled, and the reign of Yah has come near. Repent, and believe in the Good News.”
Mark 1:15, “And saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom (932) of Yah is at hand; repent (3340) and believe in the gospel (2098).”
Luke 24:47, "and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His Name to all nations, beginning at Yerushalayim."
Mat 3:8, "“Bear, therefore, fruits worthy of repentance,"
Acts 17:30, “Truly, then, having overlooked these times of ignorance, Yah now commands all men everywhere to repent.”
Acts 3:19, "“Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master,"
Mat 4:17, "From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”
Luke 4:43, "And He said to them, “To the other cities I also have to bring the Good News: the reign of Yah, because for this I have been sent.”
Luke 8:1, "And it came to be, afterward, that He went through every city and village, proclaiming and bringing the Good News of the reign of Yah, and the twelve were with Him,"
Matthew 28:19-20, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
blend..false...?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
SO, I ONLY post Scripture and get accusations from you?
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”
You may be able to fool the Biblically illiterate but any who truly seek the Messiah will see your nonsense.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Commands, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Long before the books were compiled to form “The New Testament,” Rev 22:14 was quoted, as it is here given, by Tertullian (CE 208), and by Cyprian (CE 251) – see the well-known Antenicene Fathers. (See Mat 19:17)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hengstenberg's Commentary on Revelation[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Rev 22:14. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that their power may be to the tree of life, and to enter by the gates into the city. The meaning is, blessed therefore are they; for the benediction rests on the circumstance, that God in Christ is the Alpha and the Omega. Were it otherwise, they would be the most miserable of men (1Co 15:19). To keep or to do God’s commandments, or his will, his law, is a mode of speech peculiarly frequent with St John (ch. Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12; Joh 7:19, Joh 4:34, Joh 6:38, Joh 7:17, Joh 9:31). Among these commands faith in Jesus is the foremost (comp. at ch. Rev 14:12). A similar benediction pronounced on doing is found in Joh 13:17, “If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.” The his shows that the angel is speaking here in his own person. Bengel’s remark, “His is ornately put for mine; his, of him who is the Alpha and the Omega,” would only be warrantable, if the other supposition were not so natural. In the words, “that their power may be,” &c., the manner in which the blessedness is to be realized is more accurately determined (comp. on ch. Rev 14:13). Bengel: “When Adam broke the command the way to the tree of life was barred; but they who do the commandments shall have power over the tree of life.” No other entrance can be found into the new Jerusalem, but through the gates. Their being so expressly mentioned here, therefore, can only be intended to add vividness to the description. He who travels toward a city in the first instance directs his eye to the gates; and the glory of the gates here referred to, described in ch. Rev 21:21, here again comes especially into view. Allusion is, perhaps, made to Psa 122:1-2. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and possessing the Witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to validate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. *So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.
*So James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works is dead. If someone says-claims he has faith but lacks resulting evidential works, then he has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. Simple!
In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works (Ephesians 2:5-10).
So in Hebrews 5:9, who obeys Him? The saved or the lost?
I've heard many works salvationists use this verse to try and support salvation by works, including Roman Catholics, Mormons and misguided teachers of the law. *Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by practicing righteousness and not sin and loving one another as He commanded us (1 John 3:9-10, 23; 4:21 ). In either sense, only believers obey Him.
Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation by works (Matthew 7:22-23). In either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.
Amen! In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/trust in/cling to/rely on Him. They do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved (Acts 16:31). Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
There are many "nominal" Christians who believe "mental assent" in the existence and historical facts about Christ, yet they do not trust in, cling to, rely on Him as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation but instead, they trust in works for salvation.
Example below of someone (a Roman Catholic) who re-defines faith and teaches salvation by works:
We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments, doing the will of the Father etc..
Of course, that is absolutely false. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1). Multiple acts of obedience which follow and are produced "out of" faith is WORKS, yet works-salvationists try to "shoe horn" works "into" salvation through faith and end up with salvation through faith (their version of faith) + works.
OK. I was reading Romans yesterday and I came across these. Not sure if y'all are still arguing about the by works not by works and also not sure if it has been posted but i'll drop it in case.
Romans 1 vs 12. Kjv
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith ; as it were written, the just shall live by faith.
Romans 3 vs 27-28
27. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what laway? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith
28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (Work)
Romans 4 vs 1-5
1. What shall we say then that Abraham our Father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2. For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith his counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:13, 14, 16.
13. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect.
16. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all.
Romans 5: 1-2
1. Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus christ:
2. By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.
Romans 1 vs 12. Kjv
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith ; as it were written, the just shall live by faith.
Romans 3 vs 27-28
27. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what laway? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith
28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (Work)
Romans 4 vs 1-5
1. What shall we say then that Abraham our Father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2. For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith his counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:13, 14, 16.
13. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect.
16. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all.
Romans 5: 1-2
1. Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus christ:
2. By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.
This is a problem the early church faced. There were heresies and legitimate differences of opinion. They first created the Roman Creed in the 200s and updated it to the Apostles Creed by 390AD to define the core doctrine of who is and isn't a Christian. It states the core beliefs a Christian must believe No deviation allowed. This was used to fight heresies and allow acceptable differences of opinion. Doctrinal statements are used to define beliefs not save anyone. I get tired of those who ignore this difference and say it has nothing to do with salvation. All denominations of Christians have doctrinal and church government information published. Pick a gospel teaching denomination and look up these documents online. The Book of Church Order is the usual name of the government and it points to the doctrinal statement of the denomination.
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John 3:16 AMPC defines this clearly. Here is a comparison of 4 translations. AMPC makes a great study Bible even though at times it is cumbersome reading
John 3:16 KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 NIV
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 ESV
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3 AMPC Amplified Classic
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His knee and) only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
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My copied AMPC had an error and the stupidly short 5 minute rule didn't allow me to fix it after I fixed the white space issue this site has and came out to verify my fix and saw the error.
John 3 AMPC Amplified Classic
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
John 3 AMPC Amplified Classic
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
You should avoid the KJV. It was a good translation in 1611. The problem is all languages are dynamic and change over time. 400 years has words dissappear and change meaning.
KJV
Thou shalt not kill.
NIV
You shall not murder.
In 1611 kill meant murder. People get killed in accidents every day.
I have met several, and they are the minority, but they are getting a few saved.
I will tell you the major difference. THEY WORSHIP THE LORD, not Mary.
Here is a testimony about a BORN AGAIN Catholic.
First of all, he and I used to Study together, in fact, I bought him his first Study Bible. It was a NASB, and he grew leaps and bounds. Bob was his name, and he refused to leave the Catholic Church, because GOD NEEDED HIM THERE. So let me tell you how he shows GOD's LOVE for Others.
Their were a lot of transient homeless hitchhikers that wandered through our town, on the way to some were else. He would ask one or two of them several nights a week to come home with him. He owned a Body Shop, and he would tell them for a few hours of work in his body shop, they would get a home cooked supper and breakfast, a shower, and a bed in the garage of his house. Only one stipulation, just before bed time, they had to participate in a Bible Study {using the Bible I bought him}, and he would close with prayer. In the morning after breakfast, he would just before they left on their journey, he would unannounced, also pay them for their few hours work.
I have also met TWO Born Again Priests, that are committed to Teaching the Bible. And they would teach and exposit the WORD, faithfully in every MASS they were in. I also had long talks with both of them, and OBVIOUSLY they were born again. I asks why they stayed in the Catholic Church, and they both said "That is where GOD wants them to be." So GOD is SAVING a few in the Catholic Church, and they are among The Seven Lampstands that CHRIST walks around, no matter what some of you think.
It stuns me, some standing before Jesus saying "look what I did for you" rather than
"look what you did for me"
"look what you did for me"
Like Mother Teresa, with all that she did, yet she believed a different gospel. Maybe she got saved on her death bed (only God knows), but if she died without Jesus she would be in Hades now, and her works would be rags. Saying this, I do believe God may have brought some relief to some people, according to His will though.
As the scriptures say, many on judgment day will be boasting of the works they did, before being sent to the lake of fire because Jesus will say He never knew them... they were never His, He was never their Lord. (Wow, auto correct said lake of firs)
It stuns me, some standing before Jesus saying "look what I did for you" rather than "look what you did for me".
Hi Katy-follower, very good points you make, this needs repeating to the plentiful works group.
Righteousness Through Faith: Romans3:27
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith.
HERE IS JESUS USING THE CORRECT WORD:
Matthew 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
You do know that GOD used the word that can be translated both Murder and Kill, don't you?
Romans 13:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
The Word of GOD is correctly rendered MURDER. Police, Miltary, and justifiable homicide such as self defense DO NOT MURDER.
Luke 22:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
THERE Jesus Himself authorized SELF DEFENSE WEAPONS, mine is a pistol.
You also did KNOW that the KJV is not a Translation, but rather an UPDATE of the language, and to correct some KNOWN ERRORS from Earlier English Translations. Here is an excerpt from the Original 1611 KJV Preface:
That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages.
They used all of the older English Translations, and compared it to the LATIN Bible. Here is the Link to the 1611 Original KJV Preface: Preface to the King James Version 1611, Part 10 of 10
The quote "wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation," comes near the top of page 10.