Not By Works

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If you have proof I have deceived anyone with my words, then please show those words.

Otherwise you bear false witness
 
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preston39 said:
B...,

Where did this ..."gotcha"...mentality come from? Not from G-d...that's for sure.
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Really...actually Jesus employed it quite a bit when dealing with the lawyers and Pharisees....

Remember when they came temping him and asking him foolish questions trying to trip him up....

He said...answer my question and then I will answer your...The immersion of JOHN was it from men or GOD........A GOTCHA moment if ever there was one...........

WAKE UP.....all who push the law drivel refuse to say verbatim that they break the law.....and or that the law condemns and makes NO ONE righteous before GOD....

end of story!
 
loyaldisciple said:
Your post 60725 was not good. You said it was scripture, but you cannot show it to being any exact scripture in any version of the Bible. It was your summation of a verse, but not an actual verse. Then when told it was not an actual verse, you proceeded to falsely call a man a deceiver. Are you denying you did this ?
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i have yet to see a post from you that doesnt reek of false gospel....

you avoid questions while heaping accusations on dcon looking to establish righteousness over him


"aha! .... gotcha"


well

do you

or do you not think that a man is justified by works or the law?

this thread was made to give glory to God

to praise Jesus for His sacrifice

and to show sapplings in error the truth

as well as comabt wolves....
 
loyaldisciple said:
If you have proof I have deceived anyone with my words, then please show those words.
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have you suggested works earn

keep

maintain


or lose salvation?


if you push any of these lies

you are indeed trying to decieve

even if unknowingly
 
dcontroversal said:
You give yourself way too much credit............
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Why are you avoiding the questions dc ? I thought you said you are a man of truth. Are the words you said below an actual verse or not ? And if so, exactly what BIBLE did you obtain that verse from ?

Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law.
 
loyaldisciple said:
Your post 60725 was not good. You said it was scripture, but you cannot show it to being any exact scripture in any version of the Bible. It was your summation of a verse, but not an actual verse. Then when told it was not an actual verse, you proceeded to falsely call a man a deceiver. Are you denying you did this ?

Is it not "missing the mark" to falsely call another a deceiver ?
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It is scripture....the bible states both....go study the bible then come mouth......until then....your just grasping at straws.....funny thing...the Pharisees and Lawyers had the same problem....they absolutely could not admit error and rode their high horse straight to the pit while refusing to acknowledge their sin and or faulty stance......tragically I might add......!
 
loyaldisciple said:
Why are you avoiding the questions dc ? I thought you said you are a man of truth. Are the words you said below an actual verse or not ? And if so, exactly what BIBLE did you obtain that verse from ?

Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law.
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It is scripture and if you are too dense to understand that deeds and works of the law are one and the same then leave and quit bloviating your drivel...........and listen PAL.....if you are going to keep attacking me and or engage me get your facts straight...all you are doing is making yourself look foolish!

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

ergon: work​
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Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Short Definition: work, labor, action, deed
Definition: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
 
dcontroversal said:
It is scripture....the bible states both....go study the bible then come mouth......until then....your just grasping at straws.....funny thing...the Pharisees and Lawyers had the same problem....they absolutely could not admit error and rode their high horse straight to the pit while refusing to acknowledge their sin and or faulty stance......tragically I might add......!
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ok you still claim the below to be scripture.

Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law.

Now please show us the BIBLE version where you obtained this exact scripture.

It does not matter if words mean the same thing. The Bible does not permit it's paraphrasing. If you cannot show us the exact scripture within the Bible then it is NOT scripture.
 
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dcontroversal said:
It is scripture and if you are too dense to understand that deeds and works of the law are one and the same then leave and quit bloviating your drivel...........and listen PAL.....if you are going to keep attacking me and or engage me get your facts straight...all you are doing is making yourself look foolish!

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

ergon: work​
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Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Short Definition: work, labor, action, deed
Definition: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
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amen........

we arent justified by the deeds OR works of the law


all glory to Jesus

(despite how much some hate to admit it)
 
Now we are seeing what happens when one has backed himself into a corner. He makes a million excuses, but will not answer the questions. You know you are not allowed to change scripture dc, even in the slightest, but that is exactly what you are attempting to do here.

Please show us the BIBLE where you got that scripture from. OR you can be truthful and admit it is not scripture.
 
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loyaldisciple said:
Now we are seeing what happens when one has backed himself into a corner. He makes a million excuses, but will not answer the questions. You know you are not allowed to change scripture dc, even in the slightest, but that is exactly what you are attempting to do here.
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says the one ignoring scripture and questions....

right

veeeeery hypocritical

i can see why people blocked you


if you ever desire to learn the word of God

or what it means to be justified

you better be willing to understand it does not come by the deeds/works of men
 
NoNameMcgee said:
says the one ignoring scripture and questions....

right

veeeeery hypocritical

i can see why people blocked you


if you ever desire to learn the word of God

or what it means to be justified

you better be willing to understand it does not come by the deeds/works of men
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Look, you have no idea what you are talking about here. I happen to agree completely with the meaning of that scripture. I am not opposing the scripture here at all. What I am opposing is one altering it and then claiming his alteration to be scripture. I trust the true scripture just fine. The problem is that a man has altered it and still claims his words to be scripture. That is not allowed, but he refuses to admit the mistake of what he has done. And not only has he refused to admit his mistake in that sense, but he also has refused to admit his mistake in calling one a deceiver that is not any deceiver. Two mistakes he is refusing to admit, yet claims he is an honest man.
 
loyaldisciple said:
Look, you have no idea what you are talking about here. I happen to agree completely with the meaning of that scripture. I am not opposing the scripture here at all. What I am opposing is one altering it and then claiming his alteration to be scripture. I trust the true scripture just fine. The problem is that a man has altered it and still claims his words to be scripture. That is not allowed, but he refuses to admit the mistake of what he has done. And not only has he refused to admit his mistake in that sense, but he also has refused to admit his mistake in calling one a deceiver that is not any deceiver. Two mistakes he is refusing to admit, yet claims he is an honest man.
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youre making a strawman


what part of "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law."

is not true biblically?
 
NoNameMcgee said:
youre making a strawman


what part of "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law."

is not true biblically?
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you are conflating a stand alone statement

with another stand alone statement


if i had said on one post i bring scripture


and on another post

i dont have my own righteousness of the law

but the righteousness of Christ by faith

(which is true)


but im not exactly quoting scripture


im still speaking biblical truths

and i have not lied....


you however

are supposedly 93 years old

and wrongly attacking a brother in Christ


you have also falsely accused me of making a false accusation

.....
 
NoNameMcgee said:
youre making a strawman


what part of "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law."

is not true biblically?
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I am not claiming that what he said it is not true biblically, I am claiming it is not an ACTUAL verse as he presented it. Because he changed it.
 
NoNameMcgee said:
you are conflating a stand alone statement

with another stand alone statement


if i had said on one post i bring scripture


and on another post

i dont have my own righteousness of the law

but the righteousness of Christ by faith

(which is true)


but im not exactly quoting scripture


im still speaking biblical truths

and i have not lied....


you however

are supposedly 93 years old

and wrongly attacking a brother in Christ


you have also falsely accused me of making a false accusation

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You did make a false accusation in the spreading of your gossip that someone else may be a liar. It is not correct to be doing that with no proof of what you say.
 
loyaldisciple said:
I am not claiming that what he said it is not true biblically, I am claiming it is not an ACTUAL verse as he presented it. Because he changed it.
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where in the post you quoted did he specifically say he was quoting a specific verse?

he didnt...

it was a stand alone statement

he often will post actual verses

and sometimes he fires from the hip


division shouldnt be our goal here


i know youre newer

and im sorry if i came off as rude

but there are MANY false gospel pushers here


who believe being saved by grace through faith is secondary

to having saving works

and works keeping them saved....


this is not biblical

and based on the fact you were going after a brother in Christ over something so trivial and ridiculous


you smelled of the same smell i see from these false teachers


now i dont know if youre a brother or not...


but i have no intention of being rude

or winning a debate


but i stand for truth


and it is God that saves


not man nor his deeds

or his works


the righteousness of Jesus is how any will be seen as spotless

and perfection is what is required


all of us have fallen short of perfection

so our works CAN NOT and WILL NOT save us
 
NoNameMcgee said:
youre making a strawman


what part of "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law."

is not true biblically?
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Do you notice that after dc has made an error in changing a verse that he will not admit his error and has instead left ? Do you also see that he is not concerned at all at calling one a deceiver that is not a deceiver ? How can these be the actions of an honest man ? If he truly is honest, and I hope that he is, then let him come back and admit to these mistakes so we can move forward in a discussion regarding works.
 
loyaldisciple said:
Do you notice that after dc has made an error in changing a verse that he will not admit his error and has instead left ? Do you also see that he is not concerned at all at calling one a deceiver that is not a deceiver ? How can these be the actions of an honest man ? If he truly is honest, and I hope that he is, then let him come back and admit to these mistakes so we can move forward in a discussion regarding works.
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i know he is a brother in Christ

and i know your claims are ridiculous

as does he


i wouldnt address you either if it wasnt put on my heart


you need help
 
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