Not By Works
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No, that is the honest truth.
But if their would have been dinosaurs around, we would have hunted them too. LOL
Isn't there a way to shut it off. I had to shut off the auto correct on my cell phone.
So can we say this: No works, no eternal life? My rational: If you do no good works, you obviously do not have faith, and therefore you were never saved in the first place.
If all people who have faith, have good works, then that says it all. All who have good works we know have faith. All that do no works or little, we know have no faith, and were not saved in the first place. I agree with this whole theology. Glad we came closer together.
This we know from your post #57325. Able is saved in the KOG. The reason we know that is because he did a good work and sacrificed the way the Lord commanded, a blood sacrifice as a symbol of his Son Jesus Christ's sacrifice in the future.
We know also that if Able had not sacrificed, he was never saved in the first place.
I will never again accuse you of having a phobia about good works because of your post #57325. Thank you for that.
I hope to go before the Lord just like you are going before the Lord.
The topic of this thread is "Not By Works", A Christian is saved by God's gift of eternal salvation. If you add works to your salvation you are boasting in what you have done. You can tap dance all you want about faith with works faith without works but I will not be apart of your nonsense and besides you know the answer to "can we say." Yes we can say good bye to you and your game playing nonsense.
Jesus Curses a Fig Tree
18) Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry.
19) Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.
Quote: Answer to why Jesus Curses a Fig Tree;
Jesus was effectively denouncing Israel’s worship of God. With the cursing of the fig tree, He was symbolically denouncing Israel as a nation and, in a sense, even denouncing unfruitful “Christians” (that is, people who profess to be Christian but have no evidence of a relationship with Christ).
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Those are your words not mine.
Do you actually have anything to say about what I said?Or did you attack because you can not refute what I said?
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No., Because the Bible says no faith no eternal life. I would rather stick to what the Bible says, not what you say, because people can have works and STILL not have eternal life.
That would be great, But many have been baptised. Go toy church and do all kinds of works. Yet jesus will say he never knew them. So works do not prove anything.
And again, You need to stop focusing on works, and focus on true saving faith.
Thats where your wrong. Not all who do morally good works are saved. Jesus said there will be people in that day who have many great works, yet he said he NEVER KNEW THEM, if works was proof of salvation, and they all are saved, then Jesus could not tell these people who did these works they were never saved,
Faith is the root of salvation and obedience/good works which follow are the fruit. No fruit at all demonstrates there is no root. Abel would have demonstrated a lack of faith by refusing to sacrifice in obedience to God's requirement for sacrifice, as we saw with Cain.
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ABEL was saved by faith, People gave sacrifice all the way up until the temple was destroyed in 70 ad. It does nto mean they are saved,.
Amen! Good works are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of authentic faith in Christ, but not the essence of faith and not the means of our salvation.
Amen! All genuine believers are fruitful, but NOT ALL are EQUALLY fruitful.
Look at the many people who will say "Lord, Lord" and go on to tell Christ about their so called many wonderful works in Matthew 7:22, yet Christ will tell them that He NEVER knew them (vs. 23). They were not genuine believers.
You worded that ALL WRONG. Here is what it says:
1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—how can God’s love reside in him?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,
It is all about GOD'S LOVE that is INSIDE us, and HOW it manifests it's way out to OTHERS.
Here is the instructions that may work:
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-turn-off-auto-correct-on-the-ipad-4103807
I hope this works.
Mother Teresa did a lot of amazing works, but she believed the Roman catholic way (which is a different gospel). IF she died in that state, never looking to Jesus ALONE to save her then she would be in hades now. While she did help a lot of people, her works count for nothing. On judgment day she would be among those called workers of iniquity (Matthew 7:21-23).
Isaiah 64:6-7: "But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away. And there is no one who calls on Your name, Who stirs himself up to take hold of You; For You have hidden Your face from us, And have consumed us because of our iniquities"
Romans 3:10-28:
As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
“Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
Destruction and misery are in their ways;
And the way of peace they have not known.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law"
As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
“Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
Destruction and misery are in their ways;
And the way of peace they have not known.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law"
A thought on the side.
God is doing the work in us. We cannot fake it, we can only realize who He is and the
work He is doing. It is not an argument to win, or a discussion which must come to a
conclusion, it is realizing the light that shines from within, the free gift of grace He
has given us and how we rejoice in Him.
A lost, blind sinner, is just that. Nothing will bring sight until the Lord illumines
their soul. So argument does not make a sinner to saint, only God can do that.
So why all the conflict and speaking as if winning a position makes the difference.
Unless some were legalists and now free gracers. But both fail to see what love is
and how it overwhelms all that we are.
I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,
may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,
and to know this love that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Ephesians 3:16-19
This is where our security lies and where the power of Christ works within us, without
end or stopping. It is here where theology becomes clear and we know the emphasis
our lives will bear.
God is doing the work in us. We cannot fake it, we can only realize who He is and the
work He is doing. It is not an argument to win, or a discussion which must come to a
conclusion, it is realizing the light that shines from within, the free gift of grace He
has given us and how we rejoice in Him.
A lost, blind sinner, is just that. Nothing will bring sight until the Lord illumines
their soul. So argument does not make a sinner to saint, only God can do that.
So why all the conflict and speaking as if winning a position makes the difference.
Unless some were legalists and now free gracers. But both fail to see what love is
and how it overwhelms all that we are.
I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,
may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,
and to know this love that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Ephesians 3:16-19
This is where our security lies and where the power of Christ works within us, without
end or stopping. It is here where theology becomes clear and we know the emphasis
our lives will bear.