Not By Works

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AbigailZeke said:
Ehh, I don't think you even read my post.
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I did. You're asserting, correctly, that people who have faith have more works than people who don't have faith but who are working for their salvation. Well, I'm not working for my salvation. My works are the result of having the Holy Spirit in me through faith in Christ for the forgiveness of sin. Isn't that true of you too? Aren't you changed/changing? Or are you still in your old life but thinking it's okay because you say you have faith and salvation is not by works?
 
AbigailZeke said:
I'm a word person. But there are many times when pictures (and videos) better express the words I can't lol. Like this one right here.

[video=youtube;78cGkuKJx9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78cGkuKJx9I[/video]
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good message, but I'm an animal lover. The slash was a bit traumatic. We get our lamb chops from the store. ;)

teasin you too. Lol
 
Ralph- said:
I did. You're asserting, correctly, that people who have faith have more works than people who don't have faith but who are working for their salvation. Well, I'm not working for my salvation. My works are the result of having the Holy Spirit in me through faith in Christ for the forgiveness of sin. Isn't that true of you too? Aren't you changed/changing? Or are you still in your old life but thinking it's okay because you say you have faith and salvation is not by works?
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Nope, that's not me. I'm a saint. Saved and sanctified and righteous in Christ alone.
 
dcontroversal said:
I have answered about 5000 times in this thread regardless of your ability to admit the truth....

SAVED BY FAITH ALONE = SAVED ETERNALLY

ANY fruit or work that MAY or MAY not be produced regardless....

ALL who have BELIEVED have ALREADY DONE the WORKS of the HEAVENLY FATHER in exercising FAITH.....

DEAL WITH IT.......!
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I'll take that as a yes......you say the person who has no works/ no changed life will be saved when Jesus comes back. I have been called a liar for saying you said this. But now we all know that is in fact what you say. Thank you.
 
Ralph- said:
I'll take that as a yes......you say the person who has no works will be saved when Jesus comes back. I have been called a liar for saying you said this. But now we all know that is in fact what you say. Thank you.
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And you would still be found a lair....WHY? Because you would be adding to what I said......wake up pal.
 
New International Version 1984 Romans 1:28-32 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
 
New International Version 1984 Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
 
Lol, you're assuming that a saved person has no good works. Where does that come from?

You're leaving so many things out here.

A person who is saved (by the blood of Jesus) cannot help but produce good works. But let's play your game. Assuming that a person who's saved does not have good works, is he still saved? Why, yes. He's still very saved (by the very same blood of Jesus).

Ralph- said:
I'll take that as a yes......you say the person who has no works/ no changed life will be saved when Jesus comes back. I have been called a liar for saying you said this. But now we all know that is in fact what you say. Thank you.
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LightLoveHope said:
The above statement is the most opened ended statement one could make.
Obedience is to do God will, to follow in His ways, to be an ambassador of His presence here one earth.

What many people mean by obedience it to believe what God says, is just to believe Jesus is the Christ.
Obedience to the sermon on the mount is rejected as legalism, which is why God declares them as liars.

How easily people excuse sin. You know they are excusing it because the very thing that shows it up,
the law, they avoid talking about or even looking at. It is also why the apostles had no problem with
the law because they obeyed it by loving their neighbor. It is this so many are hiding in the darkness,
this ability to love or lack of it. If this was not the issue, they would not create contorted ways to
not be condemned by the law and claim it is satan who is condemning them.

No matter how spiritual anyone believes themselves to be, God will find them out.

Wonder why David was righteous who meditated on Gods law and ideas. This is our example and
Gods will.
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without Him we can do nothing. Takes faith.
 
dcontroversal said:
And you would still be found a lair....WHY? Because you would be adding to what I said......wake up pal.
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Why don't you just answer the question?

What will happen to the person who gets to the judgment when Christ comes back and they have no works, no changed life?

Just come right out and answer it! Saved or unsaved?
 
New International Version 1984 Jude 1:17-25 A Call to Persevere But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Doxology To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
 
preacher4truth said:
Now I feel terrible for offering e-sword which is also FREE and so too the hundreds of resources, including commentaries, dictionaries, maps, books, versions &c to add to it. My bad! :D
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VCO

I like the function of e-sword that shows the Greek or Hebrew meaning just by the curser on the number using the KJV plus Strongs.

But, each to his own.
 
New International Version 1984 Romans 6:15-23 Slaves to Righteousness What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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