Not By Works

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Ralph- said:
You must be blind. I've been saying this over and over and over again. Genuinely saved people do not live in sin. They are growing out of it. That shows they are born again and ready to meet Jesus.


What happened to your insistence that you do not have to have works to be saved-1 Corinthians 3:5-11?

You keep talking out of both sides of your mouth. Make up your mind.
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Not hardly as I have been consistent since day one....it is your twisted, skewed view and inability to accept the truth that causes you to blindly vacillate and miss the truth that is posted by many....y stance has always been IT IS FAITH ALONE that saves and that believers will have both types of works and even though one's works are crispy fried they themselves will remain saved....

Give it up, your false witness and accusations continually prove that you are a deceiver and or blind to what we say due to you inability to see past your own false views.....
 
You CAN'T do that because that would be showing you to not be born again according to John:

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin"-1 John 3:9
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Yet, you still sin. Hypocrite.

Born again people are growing out and away from sin, not living and continuing in it unchanged. Their changing life showing that they have the grace of God in salvation. The unchanged life shows one to NOT have the grace of God in salvation.
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Hmmmm...okay. Let's say for my works I give one dollar to the Salvation Army at Christmas time. And every year I give one dollar more. Is that enough works to show progression?

Or does one have to become a missionary to Africa?
 
dcontroversal said:
You can forget it.....regardless...those whose works are entirely burned are still saved as evidenced by the scriptures.....why? BECAUSE it is faith that saves not works....

end of story......
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p4t owes me a big apology. He harassed me incessantly about me being a liar for me saying you believed this. But I'll let it go. Just as long he now knows I was not lying and you really do believe this.
 
Budman said:
Does that include calling people "rabid dogs" and telling them they just might get cancer for "attacking" you?
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He/she is working his way there........the above works, twisting what we say, embellishing what we say, changing what we say, false accusations and claims of inconsistencies etc.....HE/SHE has some wonderful works to offer up to JESUS in the day of HIS/HER judgment.....LORD, LORD have not I DONE............
 
Budman said:
Yet, you still sin. Hypocrite.



Hmmmm...okay. Let's say for my works I give one dollar to the Salvation Army at Christmas time. And every year I give one dollar more. Is that enough works to show progression?

Or does one have to become a missionary to Africa?
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You sound just like an unbeliever. You make all the same arguments they make to rationalize their sinful behavior.
 
Ralph- said:
p4t owes me a big apology. He harassed me incessantly about me being a liar for me saying you believed this. But I'll let it go. Just as long he now knows I was not lying and you really do believe this.
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And you still owe me an apology for saying I believe grace is a license to sin - something I have never said - ever.

You are such a hypocrite, Ralph.
 
Budman said:
Does that include calling people "rabid dogs" and telling them they just might get cancer for "attacking" you?
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Yep, when a person acts like a rabid dog you can call them that. And the Bible plainly says the person who acts badly towards the body may get sick and even die. Do you disagree with Paul?
 
Ralph- said:
p4t owes me a big apology. He harassed me incessantly about me being a liar for me saying you believed this. But I'll let it go. Just as long he now knows I was not lying and you really do believe this.
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HE owes you nothing and you have consistently proven that you are deceptive and false.....take it up with PAUL and more importantly with GOD when you stand before him....He inspired PAUL to write 1st Corinthians 3 and the context is clear....funny how you operate....I proved you wrong as last night and first thing you do is come on here accusing with your deceptive lies to try and make he and I look bad....hahahahaha your just another working for joke.....ALL can see your inconsistencies......
 
Budman said:
Can't answer it, Ralph?
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Heading out the door.

I can answer anything you got.

I am considering you to be an unbeliever by what you say you believe and by the arguments you use. Rarely does a hypergrace 'believer' strike me as being born again.
 
Ralph- said:
Yep, when a person acts like a rabid dog you can call them that. And the Bible plainly says the person who acts badly towards the body may get sick and even die. Do you disagree with Paul?
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You have been acting terribly here against the body, but you refuse to acknowledge it. You are a class A hypocrite.
 
Ralph- said:
Heading out the door.

I can answer anything you got.

I am considering you to be an unbeliever by what you say you believe and by the arguments you use. Rarely does a hypergrace 'believer' strike me as being born again
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Aaaand we're back to you deciding who is saved or not.

I guess I better not call you a hypocrite again or you'll start whining about being "attacked" and thundering cancer threats down on me.
 
Budman said:
Can't answer it, Ralph?
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Now you are an unbeliever......geesh...Ralph is off the rails.....last night and verb tense proved him/her wrong and the first thing he/she does is attack ME, You and P4T trying to make us all look bad.......this speaks volumes for those who can see...
 
dcontroversal said:
Now you are an unbeliever......geesh...Ralph is off the rails.....last night and verb tense proved him/her wrong and the first thing he/she does is attack ME, You and P4T trying to make us all look bad.......this speaks volumes for those who can see...
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Indeed, my friend. Indeed.
 
Budman said:
Indeed, my friend. Indeed.
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It amazes me.....I have consistently stated that faith and faith alone is what saves, any work or fruit is the result of Christ through us and a result of the faith and salvation one already possesses and that the saved will have both types of works...that being of gold, silver and precious stones indicating faithful service and works of wood, hay and stubble indicating a worldly, not so faithful believer....both are tried by fire and both are saved.....ANYONE can go back and read my posts for the last 4 plus years and see that I have said the same thing consistently and yet he lies and accuses me of not being consistent....the SPIRIT of God does not lead a man/woman to do such things ever.....
 
dcontroversal said:
It amazes me.....I have consistently stated that faith and faith alone is what saves, any work or fruit is the result of Christ through us and a result of the faith and salvation one already possesses and that the saved will have both types of works...that being of gold, silver and precious stones indicating faithful service and works of wood, hay and stubble indicating a worldly, not so faithful believer....both are tried by fire and both are saved.....ANYONE can go back and read my posts for the last 4 plus years and see that I have said the same thing consistently and yet he lies and accuses me of not being consistent....the SPIRIT of God does not lead a man/woman to do such things ever.....
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Ralph strikes me as a Catholic.

There. I said it. ;)
 
Budman said:
And you still owe me an apology for saying I believe grace is a license to sin - something I have never said - ever.

You are such a hypocrite, Ralph.
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There's no "and" to it bro. I owe him no apology and his lies aren't limited to what he's said about you, but also about me, about things I've never said, and the same behavior and lies toward others.
 
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