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heartofdavid
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If people believe we do not have to have works to keep ourselves in a position to be saved,and can slack in charity,which is love in action,works,and be alright,then why do we repent,and confess Christ,and say we love God,for are not those works that are going towards our salvation,for if we do not do that we are not saved.
And if they say we cannot lack in works of love,then they admit we have to have works to be saved,and we know that we see people that believe faith alone,and not saved by works,lacking in love that cannot be denied,for we see their lifestyle,and ask people who do not believe the Bible and they will tell you there are many hypocrites,for they say many of them do not act like Christ.
Not saved by works makes sense if we receive the Spirit,and it is not possible that we can sin,and lack love if we desire to do that,but we are always led of the Spirit nothing wavering,for then it all the Spirit and His works.
But we know that we are still tempted,and can sin if we desire to sin,and are not forced to do right,so that means we have a responsibility in our life to ensure we do right,and the Spirit will not lead anyone that holds unto sin thinking they are alright with God,and does not want to do right.
That is why the Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,for Jesus did His job of saving us by the cross if we accept,but when we receive the Spirit then the responsibility is on us for we still have a choice between good and evil,so we have to make the choice to do good,for we know we are not forced to do it,so it has to come from us to want to do right before the Spirit will lead us to do right.
That is why Jesus addressed the first Church and said they have left their first love,and have fallen,and to repent,and the fifth Church that their works were not found perfect before God,and to repent,and if anybody says but that only pertains to this life and not eternal life,then why did Jesus say concerning the first Church that He will go against them and remove their candlestick,and the fifth Church He will come upon them in an hour they know not,which Jesus comes as a thief in the night,and a time they know not,and if He catches them being hypocritical,they shall have their portion with the hypocrites.
And who do they think the hypocrite is for it is not people that denied Christ,but the people that did not want to act like Christ and represent goodness,but wanted to enjoy some things like the world who is lost.
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power.
The Bible says it is the work of faith,for faith is a work for we had to do it to have it,and confessing Christ is a work,and repenting of our sins is a work,and saying we love God is a work.
And they should understand the Bible and not say that they have been chosen in the beginning without their choice but it is all of God,for then that means their repenting of their sins is not true,and their confessing Christ is not true,and their saying they love God is not true,and their faith is not true,for it would of not come from them but God.
God is the greatest love of all and people think He would tolerate having people dwell with Him that have no choice,and all that they do is not real for it did not come from them.
And if they say we cannot lack in works of love,then they admit we have to have works to be saved,and we know that we see people that believe faith alone,and not saved by works,lacking in love that cannot be denied,for we see their lifestyle,and ask people who do not believe the Bible and they will tell you there are many hypocrites,for they say many of them do not act like Christ.
Not saved by works makes sense if we receive the Spirit,and it is not possible that we can sin,and lack love if we desire to do that,but we are always led of the Spirit nothing wavering,for then it all the Spirit and His works.
But we know that we are still tempted,and can sin if we desire to sin,and are not forced to do right,so that means we have a responsibility in our life to ensure we do right,and the Spirit will not lead anyone that holds unto sin thinking they are alright with God,and does not want to do right.
That is why the Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,for Jesus did His job of saving us by the cross if we accept,but when we receive the Spirit then the responsibility is on us for we still have a choice between good and evil,so we have to make the choice to do good,for we know we are not forced to do it,so it has to come from us to want to do right before the Spirit will lead us to do right.
That is why Jesus addressed the first Church and said they have left their first love,and have fallen,and to repent,and the fifth Church that their works were not found perfect before God,and to repent,and if anybody says but that only pertains to this life and not eternal life,then why did Jesus say concerning the first Church that He will go against them and remove their candlestick,and the fifth Church He will come upon them in an hour they know not,which Jesus comes as a thief in the night,and a time they know not,and if He catches them being hypocritical,they shall have their portion with the hypocrites.
And who do they think the hypocrite is for it is not people that denied Christ,but the people that did not want to act like Christ and represent goodness,but wanted to enjoy some things like the world who is lost.
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power.
The Bible says it is the work of faith,for faith is a work for we had to do it to have it,and confessing Christ is a work,and repenting of our sins is a work,and saying we love God is a work.
And they should understand the Bible and not say that they have been chosen in the beginning without their choice but it is all of God,for then that means their repenting of their sins is not true,and their confessing Christ is not true,and their saying they love God is not true,and their faith is not true,for it would of not come from them but God.
God is the greatest love of all and people think He would tolerate having people dwell with Him that have no choice,and all that they do is not real for it did not come from them.
As for man, his days are like grass, he flourishes like a flower of the field;
the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more.
But from everlasting to everlasting the LORD's love is with those who fear him, and his righteousness with their children's children-
with those who keep his covenant and remember to obey his precepts.
The LORD has established his throne in heaven, and his kingdom rules over all.
Praise the LORD, you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word.(1)
He whose walk is upright fears the LORD, but he whose ways are devious despises him.(2)
A wise man fears the LORD and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and reckless.
A quick-tempered man does foolish things, and a crafty man is hated.(3)
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."(4)
(1) Psalm 103:15-20,(2)Proverbs 14:2 (3)Proverbs 14:17-18 (4)Matthew 7:26-27
the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more.
But from everlasting to everlasting the LORD's love is with those who fear him, and his righteousness with their children's children-
with those who keep his covenant and remember to obey his precepts.
The LORD has established his throne in heaven, and his kingdom rules over all.
Praise the LORD, you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word.(1)
He whose walk is upright fears the LORD, but he whose ways are devious despises him.(2)
A wise man fears the LORD and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and reckless.
A quick-tempered man does foolish things, and a crafty man is hated.(3)
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."(4)
(1) Psalm 103:15-20,(2)Proverbs 14:2 (3)Proverbs 14:17-18 (4)Matthew 7:26-27
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matthew 5:43-45
Jesus loved Judas, and treated him the same as all the other disciples, so much so they
could not tell Judas was going to betray Jesus, and Jesus knew. That is real love.
In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
Matt 5:16
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eternally-gratefull
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well since you can not give examples of people who love sin, and think sin is not an issue, Can you at least tell us if you believe in eternal life being forever the moment you are saved, or do you feel people have to maintain your salvation?
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heartofdavid
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Well,I don't know if you are referring to holiness.
...which is for the saved,but not to get saved.
...and I assume you have some issue bundled in there concerning osas.
.....I believe salvation is a covenant. Is it possible to break it? Probably not,because we are family.
......but if someone wants to try by some carnal lifestyle of unconfessed habitual sin??????
about all I will say is......good luck.
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heartofdavid
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Anyone else want to try?
We are searching for an example of a preacher teaching a works gospel.
We are searching for an example of a preacher teaching a works gospel.
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heartofdavid
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Watchtower teaches saved by and through and maintaining works
I have been walking with Jesus for over 40 years. I can't remember any denomination teaching that.
....unless you guys are addressing catholics.
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heartofdavid
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I support him going to Jail.
We can make a deal with the media. They can say "he is in yale"
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joefizz
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Not for all of us,I for one am a rather different individual I don't care who is speaking if there is "Truth" in a person's post I will click "like" even it seems mocking this is not the same as totally agreeing,in fact when you think on it "when do any of us totally agree"?
I have agreed and disagreed with probably everyone here off and on,even sometimes to the point of upsetting me or them.
But it never means I hate them just as it doesn't mean so with others it's just tough to get along,and communicate,some don't want truth no matter what facts are placed before them and it can cause division but there is always equal ground somewhere between us,whether we allow ourselves to find it is up to us individually,it's no easy thing to break through our beliefs and personalities to reach each other but the possibility of one more soul for God/Jesus is always there so it's worth enduring and pressing on for.
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eternally-gratefull
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ahh, You do believe in works, No wonder you are blind and say you can not see anyone teach works.
Try reading John the apostle. He said plainly a true child of God can not live in habitual sin. Scripture says that he who began a good work in you will continue it. And he has perfected forever those being sanctified.
So why do you deny the power of God to change a person. And think any person can resist God who chastens those who are his?
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eternally-gratefull
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So are you going to tell us who is preaching it is ok to sin. Or are you just unable to find anyone, your just here to argue?
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eternally-gratefull
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YHWH is the four letter of the tetragrammaton.
Jehovah is a man made word and is not a Hebrew word, but a perverse rendering.
Webster's Collegiate Dictionary:
“Jehovah — False reading of the Hebrew YAHWEH.”
(“Jehovah,” Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1973 ed.)
Encyclopedia Americana:
“Jehovah — erroneous form of the name of the G-d of Israel.”
(Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 16., 1972 ed.)
Encyclopedia Britannica:
“The Masoretes who from the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or Elohim. Thus the artificial name Jehovah came into being.”
(“Yahweh,” The New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 12, 1993 ed.)
The Jewish Encyclopedia:
“Jehovah — a mispronunciation of the Hebrew YHWH the name of G-d. This pronunciation is grammatically impossible.”
(“Jehovah,” The Jewish Encyclopedia, vol. 7, 1904 ed.)
The New Jewish Encyclopedia:
“It is clear that the word Jehovah is an artificial composite.”
(“Jehovah,” The New Jewish Encyclopedia, 1962 ed.)
The Jewish Encyclopedia states that YHWH is "the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel", and describes the form "Jehovah" as "a philological impossibility".
Jesus is YHWH, the Lord.
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Leviticus 19:[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]34, "‘Let the stranger who dwells among you be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength."[/FONT]
The only way the Gospel can save a person, is if it is obeyed.
8 [FONT="]in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and[/FONT][FONT="] on those who do not obey the gospel[/FONT][FONT="] of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 1:8
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