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WHY CAN’T YOU REFUTE OR JUST ENLIGHTEN EVERYONE YOU DISAGREE WITH INSTEAD OF MAKING INAPPROPRIATE REMARKS. IF WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS TRUE THAT YOU HAVE A GENUINE SAVING FAITH THEN WHY NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS GOD WHO MAKES THE SEED GROW AND STOP DIVIDING THE CHURCH AND MAKE ROOM FOR EDIFICATION.
1 Corinthians 3:6-7 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.
Romans 14:19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to MUTUAL EDIFICATION.
1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But DO IT WITH GENTLENESS AND RESPECT.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Luke 6:43-45 A Tree and Its Fruit “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
Matthew 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:19-20, “You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead?”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]believe” is word #G4100 - pisteuó: to believe, entrust, Original Word: πιστεύω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: pisteuó, Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o), Short Definition: I believe, have faith in, Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.[/FONT]
Acts 16:30-31, "16:30, "And having led them outside he said, “Masters, what do I have to do to be saved?”"16:31, "And they said, “Believe on the Master יהושע Messiah, and you shall be saved, you and your household.”"
Does that mean simply believe He, the Messiah existed?
or does that mean to beleive that He is the Messiah YHWH sent that we must shawmawh?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 8:24, “Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] without faith it is impossible to please Him,[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him
is the whole word true? or only the parts that can be seen as free of doing His will?
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“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]believe” is word #G4100 - pisteuó: to believe, entrust, Original Word: πιστεύω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: pisteuó, Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o), Short Definition: I believe, have faith in, Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.[/FONT]
Acts 16:30-31, "16:30, "And having led them outside he said, “Masters, what do I have to do to be saved?”"16:31, "And they said, “Believe on the Master יהושע Messiah, and you shall be saved, you and your household.”"
Does that mean simply believe He, the Messiah existed?
or does that mean to beleive that He is the Messiah YHWH sent that we must shawmawh?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 8:24, “Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] without faith it is impossible to please Him,[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him
is the whole word true? or only the parts that can be seen as free of doing His will?
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It's about the fruit of the Spirit. Those who walk in the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, compassion, forgiveness, self control, etc.) don't have to fear the return of Jesus because in this life they act like Him.
"Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."-1 John 4:16-18
As we can see, John is saying that the assurance that you have the security of salvation and ready to face Christ when He returns comes from walking according to the fruit of the Spirit. Be gentle, kind, and patient, self controlled, etc., in all of life's situations as they come up and you will have the assurance that you are ready to face the Master who will call everyone to account for what they did with the talent(s) of knowledge he gave them-Matthew 25:14-30. The fruit of the Spirit is the increase on the talent of knowledge that Christ has given you and I.
Self control is a fruit of the Spirit.
(But first settle the matter of if smoking is really a sin or not.)
Being considerate of people by not hurting them by doing these things is a work of the Spirit in a person.
No.
For now, just be patient when the 80 year old woman checking out ahead of you wants to write a check to pay for her groceries, or be considerate of your spouse and children, don't be selfish. It's all about acting out the fruit of the Spirit-Galatians 5:22-23 and suppressing and putting to death the deeds of the flesh-Galatians 5:19-21. The two can not co-exist. Either you're walking in the fruit of the Spirit or you're walking in the flesh.
The key is, don't focus on the 'DO', focus on the 'BEING'. Be patient, be considerate, be gentle, don't be overbearing, don't be cruel, don't be hurtful, don't be hateful. Ask God to produce this inside of you and when you feel it rise up inside of you ACT ON IT. Don't quench the Spirit moving you to act out the works of the Spirit.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 1:1-3, “Revelation of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, which [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]gave Him to show His servants what has to take place with speed. And He signified it by sending His messenger to His servant Yoḥanan, who bore witness to the Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and the witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah – to all he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and guard what is written in it, for the time is near.”[/FONT]
Are these passages true?
They are from the final written message to humankind:
Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”
Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושעMessiah."
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Paul and Silas expounded upon what they meant. According to Paul, believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is believing Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again.
Faith comes after salvation. It involves pleasing the Lord through the works of your life, aka obedience. Obedience to the faith leads to the perfecting of the saints, not salvation. The believer is already saved.
I see this as "saved or born again" in modern verbage:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
and this are truly born again/recieved salvation:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]that is why it is said:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."[/FONT]
I thnk this sums it up well:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."[/FONT]
You're posting Jewish passages in Matthew, James and Hebrews applicable for the Jews in the tribulation where they must endure to the end to be saved through the tribulation into the millennial kingdom of Christ. Go to Paul's letters to receive instruction for the Church, the body of Christ.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The 12 were sent to the all nations Gentiles included by the Messiah Himself:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore, as you go, disciple all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you each and every day until the end of the age.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nations” is word #G1484 ἔθνος ethnos (eth'-nos) n., 1. a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe., 2. (specially) a foreign (non-Jewish) one, Gentiles., 3. (usually, by implication) pagan., [probably from G1486], KJV: Gentile, heathen, nation, people, Root(s): G1486[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yet Paul says Peter was sent to the Jews:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 2:7-8, “In fact, they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel for the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel for the circumcised. For the one who worked through Peter by making him an apostle to the circumcised also worked through me by sending me to the Gentiles.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]However Peter says he was sent to the Gentiles:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Timothy 2:7, "For this reason I was appointed to be an announcer, an apostle, and a faithful and true teacher of the gentiles. (I am telling you the truth. I am not lying.)"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 2:23-25, “And it came to be after these many days that the sovereign of Mitsrayim died. And the children of Yisra’yl groaned because of the slavery, and they cried out. And their cry came up to the Mighty One because of the slavery. And the Mighty One heard their groaning, and the Mighty One remembered His covenant with Aḇraham, with Yitsḥaq, and with Ya‛aqoḇ. And the Mighty One looked on the children of Yisra’yl, and the Mighty One knew!”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 11:1-36, "11:1, "I say then, has Yah rejected His people? Let it not be! For I also am of Yisra’yl, of the seed of Aḇraham, of the tribe of Binyamin."11:2, "Yah has not rejected His people Psa 94:14 whom He knew beforehand. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Ěliyahu, how he pleads with Yah against Yisra’yl, saying,"11:3, "“[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], they have killed Your prophets and overthrown Your slaughter-places, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 1Ki 19:10, 1Ki 19:14."11:4, "But what does the answer of Yah say to him? “I have left for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Ba‛al.” 1Ki 19:18."11:5, "So therefore also, at this present time a remnant according to the choice of favour has come to be."11:6, "And if by favour, it is no longer of works, otherwise favour is no longer favour. And if it is of works, it is no longer favour, otherwise work is no longer work."11:7, "What then? Yisra’yl has not obtained what it seeks, but the chosen did obtain it, and the rest were hardened."11:8, "As it has been written, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has given them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes not to see and ears not to hear, unto this day.” Deu 29:4, Isa 29:10."11:9, "Dawiḏ also says, “Let their table become for a snare, and for a trap, and for a stumbling-block and a recompense to them,"11:10, "let their eyes be darkened, not to see, and bow down their back always.” Psa 69:22-23."11:11, "I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Let it not be! But by their fall deliverance has come to the nations, to provoke them to jealousy. Deu 32:21."11:12, "And if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the nations, how much more their completeness!"11:13, "For I speak to you, the nations, inasmuch as I am an emissary to the nations, I esteem my service,"11:14, "if somehow I might provoke to jealousy Deu 32:21 those who are my flesh and save some of them."11:15, "For if their casting away is the restoration to favour of the world, what is their acceptance but life from the dead?"11:16, "Now if the first-fruit is set-apart, the lump is also. And if the root is set-apart, so are the branches."11:17, "And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree,"11:18, "do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you!"11:19, "You shall say then, “The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”"11:20, "Good! By unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by belief. Do not be arrogant, but fear."11:21, "For if Yah did not spare the natural branches, He might not spare you either."11:22, "See then the kindness and sharpness of Yah: on those who fell sharpness, but toward you kindness, if you continue in His kindness, otherwise you also shall be cut off."11:23, "And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, shall be grafted in, for Yah is able to graft them in again."11:24, "For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"11:25, "For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisra’yl, until the completeness of the nationsa has come in. Footnote: aGen 48:19."11:26, "And so all Yisra’yl shall be saved, as it has been written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Tsiyon, and He shall turn away wickedness from Ya‛aqoḇ,"11:27, "and this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.” Isa 59:20-21."11:28, "Truly, as regards the Good News they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers."11:29, "For the gifts and the calling of Yah are not to be repented of."11:30, "For as you also at one time disobeyed Yah, but now have obtained compassion through their disobedience,"11:31, "so also these have now disobeyed, that through the compassion shown you they also might obtain compassion."11:32, "For Yah has shut them all up to disobedience, in order to have compassion on all."11:33, "Oh, the depth of riches, and wisdom and knowledge of Yah! How unsearchable His judgments and untraceable His ways!"11:34, "“For who has known the mind of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]? Or who has become His counsellor?” Isa 40:13."11:35, "“Or who first gave to Him, and it shall be given back to him?” Job 35:7, Job 41:11."11:36, "Because of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all, to whom be esteem forever. Amĕn."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."[/FONT]
SO i guess its a religion about Jesus rather than the religion of Yahshua/Jesus.
I will take the teaching He Himself taught.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
*Mosheh wrote:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]שָׁמַע[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
SO i guess its a religion about Jesus rather than the religion of Yahshua/Jesus.
I will take the teaching He Himself taught.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
*Mosheh wrote:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]שָׁמַע[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
Not to be rude or anything, but why do you keep harping on this word?
I am from the Bible Belt...so you can ask just about anyone here if they believe that Jesus is real and that he died for their sins and they will say, yes...Some will say that they believe, but they will also tell you that they are not and do not want to be saved (put their faith in Jesus and accept him in to their lives) right now.
So are you saying that they are saved anyhow, even if they do not want to be, just because that they believe that he is real and that he died for sins.
truth.
Psalm 139:23, "Search me, O Yah, and know my heart; Try me, and know my thoughts;"
Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 11:4, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is in His holy temple; [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 62:9-12, “Sons of Aḏam are but a breath, Sons of men are a lie; If weighed in the scales, They are altogether lighter than breath. Do not trust in oppression. And do not become vain in robbery; If riches increase, Do not set your heart on them. The Mighty One has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That strength belongs to Yah. And loving-commitment is Yours, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; For You reward each one according to his work.”[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done* righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced* evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”[/FONT]
Because, a gospel that includes a FAITH plus WORKS, is a false GOSPEL.
2 Corinthians 11:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For if a person comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or you receive a different spirit, which you had not received, or a different gospel, which you had not accepted, you put up with it splendidly!
Galatians 1:6-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from Him who called you by the grace of Christ ⌊and are turning⌋ to a different gospel—
[SUP]7 [/SUP] not that there is another ⌊gospel⌋, but there are some who are troubling you and want to change the good news about the Messiah.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him!
[SUP]9 [/SUP] As we have said before, I now say again: If anyone preaches to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him!
Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not from works, so that no one can boast.
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
Why do you even respond....almost everyone disregards your posts....and you think CC is a church.....? <--Proves how much you are missing the mark....wake up to the truth....those who push false dogma will never be coddled by me......ever!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."
James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so belief without works is dead also."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."
James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so belief without works is dead also."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
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[QUOTE]Because, a gospel that includes a FAITH plus WORKS, is a false GOSPEL.[/QUOTE]
We go round and round in circles because these statements are not specific enough. Are you talking about the moment of justification, or are you talking about at the return of Christ?
Justification is entirely on the basis of faith in God's forgiveness apart from works.
At the return of Christ if your faith is alone, having no works, no change of life attached, you will be showing yourself to not be justified in Christ and you will not be saved.
And it doesn't matter if you were never justified to begin with, or you had it and lost it. Either way your empty, fruitless life will testify against you at Christ's coming and you will go to the left with the goats into the eternal fire-Matthew 25:41. Faith that is alone can not save-James 2:14. Barren fields are, in the end, burned up, not harvested-Hebrews 6:8. Works accompany salvation-Hebrews 6:9.
We go round and round in circles because these statements are not specific enough. Are you talking about the moment of justification, or are you talking about at the return of Christ?
Justification is entirely on the basis of faith in God's forgiveness apart from works.
At the return of Christ if your faith is alone, having no works, no change of life attached, you will be showing yourself to not be justified in Christ and you will not be saved.
And it doesn't matter if you were never justified to begin with, or you had it and lost it. Either way your empty, fruitless life will testify against you at Christ's coming and you will go to the left with the goats into the eternal fire-Matthew 25:41. Faith that is alone can not save-James 2:14. Barren fields are, in the end, burned up, not harvested-Hebrews 6:8. Works accompany salvation-Hebrews 6:9.
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The word "believe" can describe mere "mental assent belief," as in James 2:19, or also include "trust and reliance in Christ for salvation," as in Acts 16:31.
In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved.
Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.