Not By Works

[UnderGrace]

More like our faith in the finished work of Jesus rather than our pride in our good works is why that will not happen.

Without the assurance of salvation which you deny, you can have no works.

1 John is a good book to read to learn this.

If I remember correctly it was AllenW that said I would come here and set you people straight. And pride being what it is you people are going to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

[stonesoffire]

Hi Stones,

I have often pondered this myself. What is the gospel to one person?
If they have the gospel then it's the truth.
If another disagrees then it's a false gospel.

If that's the case then one is deceived.

So to me one is believing a lie.

The root is deception and that only comes from the father of lies.

I don't see deception as being a root though Bill. I see this as the result of a lie. But, why believe the lie in the first place..

We see from scripture that inforgiveness can create bitterness. I would call this a strong man. And the strong man must be bound to throw out of the house. So what other roots would cause an effect leading to deception?

Am thinking about deliverance.

Making sense or not? I can take criticism

I would ask the same question to Dcon and EG, TT, and preacher, VCO too. Those men who are posting the most here, though not limiting. Anyone who knows about this.

 

[joefizz]

So funny

Wasn't Ralph the one that she prophesied would come to this forum...I would need to go way back in this thread but I am sure it is there.

not exactly lol,there ended up being 2 Ralphs the famous one she fawned over and another one that was just called Ralph,either way silly stuff.

 

[stonesoffire]

Also reminded me of this song

[video=youtube;2eweKircAWA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eweKircAWA[/video]

(The band is not Christian )[SUB][/SUB]

odd song but catchy tune. Makes me want to dance bolly style. Lol. I'd like to know all the words so may look it up later. Thanks Magenta.

 

[Ralph-]

The passages I cited say you will roast if you live in sin.

Because they show you are not born again. But people are suggesting they are saved even if they DO live the life described in the passages that say you will not inherit the kingdom if you live like this.

 

[Locutus]

If I remember correctly it was AllenW that said I would come here and set you people straight. And pride being what it is you people are going to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

[joefizz]

Because they show you are not born again. But people are suggesting they are saved even if they DO live the life described in the passages that say you will not inherit the kingdom if you live like this.

Replying to yourself is rather strange behavior also noone at all has said that after being saved we don't have to do any works try truth for a change you just might surprise yourself.

 

[stonesoffire]

Simple answer, they exchange the truth for a lie.......people who teach a false gospel should not be psychoanalyzed, rather expose their corrupt teaching.

"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen." Romans1:25

heavens TT....never the thought to psychoanalyze anyone. Am more concerned about their final destiny and am thinking that there could be hope for some if a strong man is discovered and bound.

I would rather hear from the Lord for a specific case, but thought there may be more roots than just unforgiveness.

Clear as mud?

I think your post was harsh though that you posted to Bill.

Hes is not a Dcon. I appreciate Dcon and his solid rock stand, but Bill has a tender heart. That's a good thing. You seem to be a man of reason. I see good traits in all, but different.

 

[maxwel]

Replying to yourself is rather strange behavior also noone at all has said that after being saved we don't have to do any works try truth for a change you just might surprise yourself.

Ya know, sometimes I think about replying to myself.

But I'm always afraid I'd might take it wrong and start arguing with me.



It's probably best to just leave myself alone.

 

[UnderGrace]

They do not say grace makes it so you can live that way and be safe.

[/QUOTE]

Well since you refute the message of grace (the entire new covenant) by this statement for fear of a license to sin,

you are actually are promoting the doctrine/belief, very clearly, that it is law keeping that justifies a person.

Good luck with that.

Why are you waiting for me to defend a doctrine I don't have? I'm the one saying grace is NOT a license to sin. The passages I cited say you will roast if you live in sin. They do not say grace makes it so you can live that way and be safe.

 

[Locutus]

What’s ironic is that Ralph has been able to unite Reformed and the none Reformed members here like no other .
That is really funny if ya think about it .
Blessings
Bill

Where is the un-rep button when yer need it...

 

[UnderGrace]

Yeah,

I agree I am leaving it alone

Thanks for the advice.

Ya know, sometimes I think about replying to myself.

But I'm always afraid I'd might take it wrong and start arguing with me.



It's probably best to just leave myself alone.

 

[Ralph-]

More like our faith in the finished work of Jesus rather than our pride in our good works is why that will not happen.

There you go again.....thinking that obedience as evidence of salvation is automatically having pride in good works and can't be anything else. You've got to open up your mind a little, UG.

Without the assurance of salvation which you deny, you can have no works.

1 John is a good book to read to learn this.

Yes, 1 John is a good book to read and to learn that having works is how you have assurance of salvation-1 John 4:17-read it.

What you do is how you have the assurance of your calling and election.
That's why we start threads wondering if King Saul was saved. And why we don't start threads wondering if Daniel was saved.

For those of you who are convicted by this, consider Hanna who was barren and how she cried out to the Lord and He heard her and delivered her out of the shame of her barrenness giving her a child. He will do that for EVERYONE who cries out to him. He will birth the Christ child in the barren 'woman' who cries out to him. No need to beat up the messenger. Take it to God. He'll hear.

 

[Ralph-]

Well since you refute the message of grace (the entire new covenant) by this statement for fear of a license to sin,

you are actually are promoting the doctrine/belief, very clearly, that it is law keeping that justifies a person.

Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]Not even remotely. Obedience is not trying to justify yourself. Obedience is the sign that you are saved.

I can't give you ears to hear. Only God can do that. I can only speak the words that are to be heard.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Romans 4
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin

________

Galatians 3:6

“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”



God bless you all

not by works....
but by the grace of God

despite the boasters claims

 

[Ralph-]

noone at all has said that after being saved we don't have to do any works

Then why are you resisting the truth of Galatians 5:21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Ephesians 5:5, and 1 John 3:6-10, oh, and James 2:14?

 

[Ralph-]

Romans 4
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin

________

Galatians 3:6

“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”



God bless you all

not by works....
but by the grace of God

And we know for whom this is applied to and true for by how they live. We know who is in covenant with God through Christ by how they live. That's not a boasting works gospel. That's what the Bible says.

You don't get right standing with God by doing work. You show you have it by what you do. The one who boasts of having right standing with God but who does not have the life to show it doesn't have right standing with God.

 

[stonesoffire]

I've been saying this to him all along. "They" get coddled, "those" who expose them and defend truth against them get the treatment he should be giving to the false teachers.

It's unreal, so I censor the nonsense.

But here is the issue, and he says it himself: "Just my thoughts..."

Exactly! That's the problem in a nutshell, the stance isn't biblical, it's "Just my thoughts..." We need men of God who take an unashamed stance without worrying about offending men. It is God we're offending when we don't take a stance, people are too worried about what some human being will think.

Nothing personal against BillG, I'm just going to continue to oppose this kind of compromise.

The fact is some false teachers are willful, and then there are some who are duped into following along. They aren't doing it in innocence, they creep in unaware to others, in covert fashion and teach their damnable heresies, note Jude, 2 Timothy, 2 Peter, Romans 16, 2 John, 1 John &c.

Anyhow, good stance you're taking brother, as always, I appreciate it!

Preacher

I could say to you that you have been deceived too. You deny the baptism of Holy Spirit. That's what Bill was saying. We all believe we are saying the truth.

It could be depressing if one doesnt study for themselves and are assured of their belief.

This is how the winds of doctrines shake people.

 

[UnderGrace]

So then, law keeping is a sign that you are saved. Okay got it.

Well since you refute the message of grace (the entire new covenant) by this statement for fear of a license to sin,

you are actually are promoting the doctrine/belief, very clearly, that it is law keeping that justifies a person.

Good luck with that.

Not even remotely. Obedience is not trying to justify yourself. Obedience is the sign that you are saved.

I can't give you ears to hear. Only God can do that. I can only speak the words that are to be heard.[/QUOTE]

 

[Laish]

We all have our little pet doctrines that we believe and defend. Some defend them maturely and calmly. Some not so much. Blind rage seems to be the name of the game around here.

I can only speak for myself Ralph. I try not to get angry with folks . Anger only weakens your footing . Often things said are not what is best for a situation. Anger leads to poor decisions.
Blessings
Bill