Don't take it out on me. If you are pricked in conscience by the fact that ultimately saved people live righteous lives and don't remain in their old ways then you need to take it up with God, not change doctrine to salve your conscience.
And I'm guessing you are convinced that you can continue to live in your old life and you saved, right?
Nobody's reading what's been posted. You have to keep it fresh for new people reading.
She can't understand my posts. It's futile to explain anything to her. This isn't a matter of me needing to apologize to her. If she understood what I'm saying she'd know there is no offense here.
LOL. You don't even know what you are talking about. You claimed something that is patently false and I gave a Scripture to prove it, but you want to pretend it is I who does not understand, and so you go off on all these tangents and refuse to admit you were wrong or that I did indeed certainly understand what you said. You just can't admit you were wrong, nor do you practice what you preach.
When a person says they are created in Christ Jesus unto good works but then they don't have those works how can they insist they have been created in Christ Jesus? The person who says they have been created in Christ Jesus unto good works but who doesn't have those good works may well not be created in Christ Jesus at all.
There is no offense here. I'm not wrong that the position you are defending is what many Christians defend. Your thinking is not unique.
Thank you, and exactly. Ralph was wrong to say salvation and works cannot be separated, and I gave a Scripture to prove it. Rather than admit he is wrong he pretends to know my thinking to cover for the fact that he rejects what Scripture explicitly says. He makes up all kinds of crap to cover his error, goes off on all these tangents rather than deal with the issue at hand, and tries to stick it on me. LOL. What a joke.
You are clueless as to the position I am defending, which is what Scripture explicitly states and you reject. You are obviously too thick to comprehend simple truths.
That's the works we're talking about. What were you thinking works meant? Faith in Christ changes us. If we're still stuck in our old hateful, hurtful, unrighteous, defensive, contentious ways then we have to test to see if we're really in the faith at all.
Just show us the scripture that says the unchanged person is a saved person. Do you know the Bible says the unchanged person is not saved? That is how salvation and works can not be separated.
I gave a Scripture that proved you wrong. All these red herrings about providing non existent Scriptures do nothing for me; your pompous sermonizing is unwarranted. They were not part of the conversation I was having, but simply your smoke screens and irrelevant tangents to the point at hand. You pretend to know my thinking when you have proved you do not. What you have proved is that you are a hypocrite, and willing to make up fairy tales about Jesus rather than deal with a simple issue.
If what you post is not what you are thinking then we are at an impasse here.
I already gave the Scripture that proves what you said wrong. Salvation and works are separate, and can be separated. You said they could not be. Why don't you deal with that instead of pretending I am not posting what I think? Your insinuations show very poor character, as does your refusal to admit you are wrong on many points now.
Salvation and works of righteousness are inseparable--1 John 3:10, Romans 8:9.
