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Anybody know why Bogadile "got banned", God less you!
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Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
1 John 1:8-10, “If we say that we have no sin, we are misleading ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to forgive us the sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."
Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”
Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושעMessiah."
1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
Mark 10:45, “For even the Son of Aḏam did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
I understand you can be banned for continuing discussions, just making a statement really,
but thanks for the tip.
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Often times bans can come from things not public, as well. Or public offenses may be removed so they can't be seen.
Okay this seems reasonable and maybe it's the reason for not keeping the discussion going in that regard. Makes good sense and thanks.
God bless!
Duh, gee wiz, why didn't I think of that. Oh that's right. I posted it.
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lets see
1. I ask you this question, because you said a christian need the law to know what sin is.
2. Your response is that I did not understand you
3. I proved you did,. And asked you the question again.
4. Now you say you said it. (I know you did thats why I asked you the question)
so do you have an answer or not. If the christian needs the law to know what sin is, how did they evert become a christian to begin with> since they could not know what sin was to repent?
Tragically funny how they cannot grasp the purpose of the law and that it has done it's job already and condemned all under guilt....yet they attempt to keep that which is unkeepable....another truth they reject.....the Holy Spirit convicts of sin <----BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME <--Jesus said that.....so..it stands to reason that if you believe on Christ you are not convinced or condemned because of sin, nor are you bound under the law......PAUL was clear....ALL things are lawful although not expedient........!!
Tragically funny how they cannot grasp the purpose of the law and that it has done it's job already and condemned all under guilt....yet they attempt to keep that which is unkeepable....another truth they reject.....the Holy Spirit convicts of sin <----BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME <--Jesus said that.....so..it stands to reason that if you believe on Christ you are not convinced or condemned because of sin, nor are you bound under the law......PAUL was clear....ALL things are lawful although not expedient........!!
Due to the quirks of the site I edited this offline and am pasting it to the board. Selecting texts and going back and forth from the browser to get something to paste often times exits me from the open post I was trying to make. Never had this many problems on other forums.
I believe in using the KISS method, (Keep It Simple Stupid). Here is the Gospel (good news) using this method with scripture references.
The law is the 10 Commandments and the 613 mitzvot (commandments) recorded in the Torah, Genesis thru Deuteronomy.
FIRST
The law exists today according to Jesus.
Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
SECOND
The law defines what is sin. Without the law there is no sin. Paul said the law told him what was sin.
Romans 7:7 to 13
The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
THIRD
1. All have sinned, (broken the law).
2. Christ's sacrifice redeems us from the Law. (This is the great fact of the Gospel.)
Romans 3:19 to 31
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
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The Gospel short version.
1. Jesus said the law is in effect until the heaven and earth disappear and ALL is fulfilled.
2. Sin is transgression of the law.
3. For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
4. Therefore all need to accept the sacrifice of Jesus.
No law no sin.
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Hi Dcon, they cannot grasp the Gospel of Grace because the veil has not been removed, "because only in Christ is it taken away." Therefore the mixing of Grace and Law becomes necessary to suit their counterfeit gospel. Nothing new is being said here just agreeing with your post.
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!" Galatians1:8.
2Corinthians3:14-18
14) But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
14) But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
15) Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
16) But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17) Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18) And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. 2Corinthians3:14-18
16) But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17) Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18) And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. 2Corinthians3:14-18
So people in the OT were saved by keeping the law? And the "Good News" (Gospel) is that we can be saved through keeping the law too?
Oh no Preacher keeping the Law is the, "Long version", maybe.
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As if we were given a choice of which gospel we prefer. I do like this "version" very much and please no embellishments allowed.
"If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans10:9
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LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW
Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because GOD HAS POURED OUT HIS LOVE INTO OUR HEARTS by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
Romans 13:8-14 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW. And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to GRATIFY the desires of the SINFUL NATURE.
Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because GOD HAS POURED OUT HIS LOVE INTO OUR HEARTS by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
Romans 13:8-14 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW. And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to GRATIFY the desires of the SINFUL NATURE.
Nope. Doesn't sound good news to me. This is supposed to bring people "joy" ? Lol.
Absolutely not. Are you so ignorant of the Old Testament that you never read or heard about the yearly animal secrifices? The temple had an alter where the sacrifices were made by killing the animal and burning it. A lamb without blemish was the preferred sacrifice therefore one of the names of Jesus was the Lamb of God. He was without the blemish of sin.