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There is GOD’s Law... that we Keep through Faith in the Lord.
Be under Grace and Faith that worketh by Love..
In the New Covenant knowing to do good and not doing it is sin..
Think of the Jewish people Keeping Sabbath.. unbelief.. dead and condemned.
How many unbelievers Love and honour their parents? an unbeliever can not be Righteous... only fruit growing from the grafted in branch to the True vine is worthy fruit.. as in you are nourished by the Root and given His Goodness when you Believe..
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If we are under law we are under the penalty. You can not break the law up.
Abraham sinned apart form the law. Noahs sons sinned when their was no law. Cain sinned a great sin, and there was no law.
I am a believer, I do not need th law to tell me I sin, I KNOW IT. What I need is the love of God to help me love others. THEN i will start to emulate christ, who fulfilled the law./ Not by focusing on it, But by focusing on what matters. Sinners who need him. And brothers and sisters in him who need him. And NOTY himself.
Amen! Romans 3:20 - Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. 21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Luke 1
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Why were they righteous? Because they followed the law completely. They were blameless when it comes to the law, but they were not sinless. There are many other examples of those who were righteous under the law.
The righteous of the law is not the same as God's righteousness through Jesus Christ. Romans 3.
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Any law for that matter, Instructions are given to help a person know how to do things. laws are given to impose a penalty when we do not do what the instructions tell us what to do. And gives the people who gave an enforce the law a means to punish those who break that law.
When we go to get a drivers license and take our training, We are told there are signs with speed limits attached to them, we are instructed to drive at that speed. The LAW says “thou shalt not drive faster than the speed limit) The law is not the instruction. The law is there to allow the government to punish those who BREAK that law (do not drive over the speed limit)
In the same token, God has instructed us to love and honor our parent, love our spouses, Love and honor our children. Those are instruction. A law was given which said thou shalt not commit adultry. The law does not tell us how to do it, It is not the instruction, it is just the law given so those who break that law can be punished. And to let the law breakers know they have broken the law.
Loving others is the instruction. Failing to do so is sin. What the law does is break down certain acts which are sins, and condemn us as apart front the law there is no punishment If there is no sign that says the speed limit is 55 MPH in a construction zone where the normal speed limit is 70 MPH, then the government can not punish a person who is driving 65 MPH.
As paul said, If there was no law which said do not covet. He could not sin because he could claim ignorance (I di dnot know) but then the law came, and he died.
The law is there to judge, not to instruct.’
Where the lawyers get it wrong is they take the LAW. And try to make it the INSTRUCTION.
circumcision is an eternal covenant for abraham as well. moses' law is eternal. the levite priesthood is eternal, the sacrifices are always in front of the Lord done by the levites. the solomon temple is forever. yet all arent currently applicable in the church age.
the aaronic priesthood was forever (exodus 40.15) until it was superceded by the melchizedek priesthood with Jesus:
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
so just get to rightly dividing the word of truth and the quicker u will get rid of false doctrine.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
So some here think that believers are "under the Law"?
And some believe that obedience to the Law brings righteousness?
[SUP]"[/SUP]For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace" Rom 6:14.
And some believe that obedience to the Law brings righteousness?
[SUP]"[/SUP]For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace" Rom 6:14.
"Know that one is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" Gal 2:16.
And I know, of course, that there are many Scriptures that, at first glance, appear to prove the opposite of those above, but when the Bible appears to contradict itself, the problem is with the readers' understanding, not with the Bible.
Of course, many of us do what we can to obey the Law (not the law), but I think those who do don't do that thinking it will save them -- right?
And I know, of course, that there are many Scriptures that, at first glance, appear to prove the opposite of those above, but when the Bible appears to contradict itself, the problem is with the readers' understanding, not with the Bible.
Of course, many of us do what we can to obey the Law (not the law), but I think those who do don't do that thinking it will save them -- right?
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All this says is they were blameless, it does not say what caused them to live this type of life. How they got here should be the discussion, Not that they were there.
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Amen, This should be our guide. If scripture contradicts, We have an issue in our thinking, Instead of changing scripture. Change our thinking. Find our where OUR ERROR is, and change that in order to make scripture agree and become harmonious.
You're degrading as usual...please give "your" explanation of Luke 1:5-6.
Deuteronomy 6
24 And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.
Well, it says they were righteous before God. What brought about their righteousness? They were blameless when it came to following the law. Remember, the law is more than just commandments, but it also contained the proper methods to follow if one transgressed the law. One who followed the law completely would be blameless and righteous before God. But the righteousness of the law could not save. The righteousness of God through Jesus Christ saves.
In Galatians 3 Paul wrote the Law was our tutor to bring us unto Christ. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under that tutor.
Asked and answered. Here it is again. Read it this time.
The law is written in the Torah aka Pentatauch aka Genesis thru Deuteronomy!!!
Since Cain and Abel made sacrifices to God they understood they sinned therefore must have understood the Law.
Same reasoning going down to Moses.
The first recorded version of the law was from Moses bringing the 10 Commandments down the mountain from God.
Moses recorded all of the law in his writing of the Torah.
The simple fact is the law existed starting with Adam and Eve!
As Jesus stated the complete law is in existence today and we are under it.
The only question for everyone is has the penalty of their transgressions of the law been removed from them by accepting Christ!!!