Not By Works

[Hizikyah]

No, he said to take the law in its right context. Ads he did in 1 Timothy, and in galations.

But you seem to ignore those fact.

I am a doer of the word. Not because I follow the law of moses (the law of sin and death) but because I follow the law of Christ (I put the needs of others above my own needs)

I could follow rules and regulations, and make myself look like a doer of the word. But what good would that be? anyone can fake Christianity, True victory over sin and death is made by Christ and his power though, by serving the law of liberty.

what is the Law of Liberty?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't care how many times I error, I will still seek to do what is right beofre Yah with every bit of strength and mercy He has granted me.


So by using the life He has given me, the mercy He has given me and the understadning He has given me to do His will, and me wanting do do HIS WILL im not focusing on HIm... odd doctrine you have there.

I think it is a desire to not want any responsibility for ones own actions so there is a need to say anyone seeking to do His will is focusing on self.

keep telling yourself that. All you do is preach law. How can we follow law unless we focus on law?

if your focusing on law, and the do not does and does, who are you focusing on, God or self.

Well you think it is focusing on God, for those who have been there and done that, and learned what it is REALY like to follow God. We know different.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I figured you did and that was why you were attacking me the way you were.

Attacking you? No, I was attacking your gospel. Not you.

Your the one who attacked a sister in Christ and condemned her, Not me.

When are you going to humble yourself and fess up to your own sin?

 

[Hizikyah]

keep telling yourself that. All you do is preach law. How can we follow law unless we focus on law?

if your focusing on law, and the do not does and does, who are you focusing on, God or self.

Well you think it is focusing on God, for those who have been there and done that, and learned what it is REALY like to follow God. We know different.

I post passagers proving my beliefs because we are in the mystery of iniquity and everyone fights what is right.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."[/FONT]


—[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

Messiah says the lack of Law is causing the love to grow cold, yet im told different by many religious people of today.
[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

...and so the fault finding continues, lol.

And the blame shifting never ends.

Just like many others who came before you, You always want to blame shift, and never want to take accountability of your own actions.

Typical of a legalist who is performance based..

 

[Issachar92]

I figured you did and that was why you were attacking me the way you were.

Ayy!! You were right.

I might not be a bible pundit scholar like some of the folks here but I got streetsmarts enough to see thru that kinda stuff. I'll let ya in on a way to tell if someone is doing what is being discussed:

If you tell me "Those christians listen to ACDC highway to hell in church. I think thats ungodly and wicked." and i respond "he who is without sin cast the first stone" it means im listening to the same stuff. Another double talk response is if I say "Christians should not be listening to that kind of music, christians should not be engaging in that behavior. I dont advocate that" And thats how you know im doing it 99% of the time. Because ya gotta be careful how I worded it: "I dont advocate that" and "christians should not" thats the code, thats the double talk. So you SHOULD NOT but it doesnt really matter cause its not of works. I dont advocate means yeah i dont think its right, but i still do it.

 

[Demi777]

he forgot the passage which says let he who has no sin cast the first stone.

I asked him to show where someone he was discussing this topic with was trying to excuse their sin, and he could not find any, so he had to go outside to find someone he thought was excusing sin.

I read Stephen king, I love Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, I play electric guitar (my dad said that is the tool of satan) . I watch movies that show nudity (not that I am happy about it) but unless you stop watching tv altogether, Your going to see and hear things you do not like. No matter what show it is.

so I have not worked hard enough to earn salvation, I must not be saved.

Even Jesus was at weddings and with sinners tho if u take some verses out u would have to deem that bad too because its also written to stay away from sinners. Everyone can twist the bible around. U dont need to be a genius for that.
I know phart from another thread. I gave up with him.who has ears to hear, hear. But some ppl dont...or only partially

Lol well i sing and model. I guess we go to hell together

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If something is a distraction from the Most High and or sinful, it is waht it is. No matter if we like it or not.

Also this is why He says be seperate, saying "oh well the world is full of sin so I ingest it daily" is simply excusing oneself. when I sin, and I do, I know it is wrong and make no excuse, if it is sin, it is wrong no matter if I liek it or hate it. SIn is sin.

Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."

1. I never said something was not a sin, I only read part of it, so I do not know.
2. it is not my place to judge a persons salvation based on sin, All have sinned and fall short. I would have to judge myself. Because I have sinned
3. She did not sin against me, nor did she sin against one of my brothers. So I have no right to call her out anyway.

 

[preacher4truth]

No,

It's yes.

I said I consider some to be unbelievers and that I can't know if they really are or not, just that I have Jesus' own words that tell me I can consider someone an unbeliever based on how they respond to truth/correction.

No, actually you're incorrect. What I stated about you is both well known, and true. You attack others indiscriminately, you've called me lost, and others lost. This is how you behave on here.

Later, I will post where I said that, then you can apologize for misrepresenting me.

Everyone here who is honest knows your above statement is untrue. I've offered to you a true example of your behavior, of how you treat the vast majority of others, the church, and what you accuse them of.

You blast the majority of all these daily. You are obsessed with determining others as lost while proclaiming yourself as most assuredly saved and on the right track.

Now let's apply your standard of determining others as lost by how they respond to correction, thus, to quote you;

"I can consider someone an unbeliever based on how they respond to truth/correction."

First of all, that is above your paygrade and simply shows egregious arrogance.

You have just pronounced yourself as having the ability to say if a person is lost due to rejecting your correction. In other words, if a person doesn't accept your corrections, they are lost.

Secondly, if this same criteria and protocol is applied to you, specifically concerning your rejection of the correction given you, which describes your well-known behavior which I showed you with concern for your person (which is seen in the above yet again by your self-proclaimed seat of judgment) what is the resultant indictment upon you?

It's really clear to see that if the practice is consistent, you've just condemned yourself.

 

[Issachar92]

when I sin, and I do, I know it is wrong and make no excuse, if it is sin, it is wrong no matter if I liek it or hate it. SIn is sin.

Same brother. I like that kind of a keeping it real attitude. Lets stop blaming God for our mistakes and sins!

Transgression of the law = sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

what is the Law of Liberty?

The term liberty in the greek literally means freedom. Or to be free from.

so you tell us what that term means.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I post passagers proving my beliefs because we are in the mystery of iniquity and everyone fights what is right.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."


—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.


“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin


"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness


Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

Messiah says the lack of Law is causing the love to grow cold, yet im told different by many religious people of today.

Yet you reject every passage of scripture twhich tells us how we become obedient children of God. And how we follow those laws in which you hold so dear.

nor do you seem to want to discuss it, because every time someone mentions law. You post huge long winded posts of passages concerning law you THINK support your view.

 

[Hizikyah]

what is the Law of Liberty?

The term liberty in the greek literally means freedom. Or to be free from.

so you tell us what that term means.

Wait so I ask you a question and you reply by asking the saame question?

I asked you, if you give me an answer I will also give mine. Im not going to play this game were you dont answer and return the question. If you know well enough to tell me im wrong can you not tell me what you deem to be right?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Even Jesus was at weddings and with sinners tho if u take some verses out u would have to deem that bad too because its also written to stay away from sinners. Everyone can twist the bible around. U dont need to be a genius for that.
I know phart from another thread. I gave up with him.who has ears to hear, hear. But some ppl dont...or only partially

Lol well i sing and model. I guess we go to hell together

As jesus said, I came to the lost. Who need me, not to the righteous who will never recieeve me. If jesus came today, he would not go to the churhc, he would go to the streets,. Sadly, many in the so called church would reject him for the same reason Israel did.

their focus is not on the right things. It is focused on self not others.

 

[valiant]

I post passagers proving my beliefs because we are in the mystery of iniquity and everyone fights what is right.

You post passages out of context and make assumptions as to what they mean

 

[Hizikyah]

You post passages out of context and make assumptions as to what they mean

yes all of them, every one out of context.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yet you reject every passage of scripture twhich tells us how we become obedient children of God. And how we follow those laws in which you hold so dear.

nor do you seem to want to discuss it, because every time someone mentions law. You post huge long winded posts of passages concerning law you THINK support your view.

no I alreay showed in the word how and stated it, you reject that, hewre I will one more time.

He changes our heart;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wait so I ask you a question and you reply by asking the saame question?

I asked you, if you give me an answer I will also give mine. Im not going to play this game were you dont answer and return the question. If you know well enough to tell me im wrong can you not tell me what you deem to be right?

I already told you what the answer was by its Defenition, I was hoping you saw the same thing I did.

A law of freedom, or to be free from. (Why change the meaning?)

I think paul said it best, all things are lawful. Not all things ar profitable.

I am free.. but that does not give me the right or Will it profit me to break it, just because I am free.

 

[Demi777]

As jesus said, I came to the lost. Who need me, not to the righteous who will never recieeve me. If jesus came today, he would not go to the churhc, he would go to the streets,. Sadly, many in the so called church would reject him for the same reason Israel did.

their focus is not on the right things. It is focused on self not others.

Sometimes we gotta go through something that we can understand and help people who have a problem in that area.
I see God in my life as he works in my life and yea just like everyone else i have weaknesses.
I dont condemn and judge people for being a pain. But theyre gonna be judged according to how they judge others. We should guide and correct each other in love and by the guidance of the holy spirit. Barely people do that

 

[loveme1]

yes all of them, every one out of context.

HizikYah.. you carry on sharing.. it is refreshing.. the out of context can be said about anyone who has a different understanding.. Contend for the Faith my friend.