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It is simple.
Not led of the Spirit,you sinneth.
Led of the Spirit,you no sinneth.
Every time we sin,or hold unto sin,we are not led of the Spirit,and only a person led of the Spirit is saved.
We are in a wrong position when we sin,or hold unto sin,until we get rid of it,and not want it,and mean it.
The trouble is many hold unto sin thinking they are alright with God,but then that means they are not led of the Spirit,but of the flesh.
Which the Bible says,God is not mocked,for whatever a person sows,that shall they reap,and tells the saints do not be deceived.
If a person hates sin,and does not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,for the Spirit will lead a person with that attitude,but if they believe that sin does not affect their relationship with God is that the right attitude,and will they have a desire to give up sin,or hold unto it and believe they are alright with God.
For that is a silly thing to say that they cannot abstain from sin,for by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,so why do they say it.
Is it because they really want to sin enjoying their wants,and fleshy pleasures,and worldliness,and money,and material things,and believe they are right with God.
For I would like to know why they believe those things because we sin because we want to sin,not because we cannot abstain from sin,and even the world can abstain from sin,as they choose what sins they like,and which ones they do not like.
Why would they say they cannot abstain from sin when we can have the Holy Spirit.
Not led of the Spirit,you sinneth.
Led of the Spirit,you no sinneth.
Every time we sin,or hold unto sin,we are not led of the Spirit,and only a person led of the Spirit is saved.
We are in a wrong position when we sin,or hold unto sin,until we get rid of it,and not want it,and mean it.
The trouble is many hold unto sin thinking they are alright with God,but then that means they are not led of the Spirit,but of the flesh.
Which the Bible says,God is not mocked,for whatever a person sows,that shall they reap,and tells the saints do not be deceived.
If a person hates sin,and does not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,for the Spirit will lead a person with that attitude,but if they believe that sin does not affect their relationship with God is that the right attitude,and will they have a desire to give up sin,or hold unto it and believe they are alright with God.
For that is a silly thing to say that they cannot abstain from sin,for by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,so why do they say it.
Is it because they really want to sin enjoying their wants,and fleshy pleasures,and worldliness,and money,and material things,and believe they are right with God.
For I would like to know why they believe those things because we sin because we want to sin,not because we cannot abstain from sin,and even the world can abstain from sin,as they choose what sins they like,and which ones they do not like.
Why would they say they cannot abstain from sin when we can have the Holy Spirit.
You want to look at the OT for our examples?
What happened to the Jews who sinned in the desert?
They never got into the promised land.
Your salvation WILL be determined by "every deed done in (your) body". (2 Cor 5:10)
Hi Decon, all of your post's here present a simple clear and true gospel which is how it is represented in the Holy Scriptures; to subtract from or add to what the bible say's about our eternal salvation is a sin. Thank you for your ministry and be well migo...
Hi Decon, all of your post's here present a simple clear and true gospel which is how it is represented in the Holy Scriptures; to subtract from or add to what the bible say's about our eternal salvation is a sin. Thank you for your ministry and be well migo...
Psalm 49:13-14 This is the fate of those who trust in themselves, and of their followers, who approve their sayings. Selah Like sheep they are destined for the grave, and death will feed on them. The upright will rule over them in the morning; their forms will decay in the grave, far from their princely mansions.
2 Timothy 3
3 [FONT="]This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.[/FONT][FONT="]2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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3 [FONT="]This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.[/FONT][FONT="]2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
[/FONT]
does "having the Holy Spirit" = you on puppet strings, with no choice but to be the very finger of God on earth, in your flesh, 24/7 ?
yes! it is written:
If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it, you will profane it. And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.
(Exodus 20:25-26)
(Exodus 20:25-26)
do not think to put our tools to it; we will profane it. do not raise it up on steps; our shame will be exposed.
we, as lively stones, being built
the law of the altar is given right after the decalogue - why? because keeping them is impossible for man, and Yah knows this: it's the reason He gave the Law! it shows us we need salvation, so He provides salvation: the altar is Christ, the sacrifice is Christ, salvation is Christ. do not put gold and silver on the salvation of the Lord of Hosts. put no tool to the salvation of Yah, as though you can build it. do not set Yah's salvation on steps and levels, as though you can reach it! believe God; the just live by faith: His altar shall be of earth: of dust. we, His temple
It is not impossible to Love GOD and each other when we are born again of the Holy Spirit.
I believe GOD... and the law shows us we are guilty and condemned needing to be saved and made new inwardly... Forgiven and Reconciled by A Gracious GOD through His Son’s suffering as the ultimate act of Love toward us.
The Just shall live by Faith in Christ as obedient Children by the power of GOD. Set apart.. Spirit over flesh.. because the Lord was Victorious for us all that Believe.
Set your heart to believe and obey GOD through His Son’s Testimony. Build your house there.
We know good and evil and now through Faith in Christ we are permitted after choosing good to eat of the Tree of life.
I believe GOD... and the law shows us we are guilty and condemned needing to be saved and made new inwardly... Forgiven and Reconciled by A Gracious GOD through His Son’s suffering as the ultimate act of Love toward us.
The Just shall live by Faith in Christ as obedient Children by the power of GOD. Set apart.. Spirit over flesh.. because the Lord was Victorious for us all that Believe.
Set your heart to believe and obey GOD through His Son’s Testimony. Build your house there.
We know good and evil and now through Faith in Christ we are permitted after choosing good to eat of the Tree of life.
whew,
I thought you were replying to something I actually said. That's a big relief for me. Thanks for letting me know. I'm kinda new to the forum world and as such am not really sure about the protocol.
You have a great day
