Not By Works

[PJW]

I would think growing in grace and knowledge because of our new birth .He is the cause. We as new creatures are the effect.

I won't 'split hairs' concerning that.
We are, however, exhorted by Peter..."[FONT=&quot]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen." (2 Peter 3:18)[/FONT]

It's His grace that teaches us to say no the first time as it will the same grace that will teach us the last.
It is our first love of God by which we could know him.

We return to those first works it comforts us, causing us to turn and repent and comfort our own selves.

Your last sentence needs editing...I think...
Can you expound on it?

 

[PJW]

PS... I'm not Jewish...

Where is your "flag" from?

 

[Hizikyah]

Where is your "flag" from?

The Republic of Lithuania

 

[garee]

I wonder. If ones opinion of the Lord is based on ones relationship with Him and His word,
obviously one word or phrase will upset the believer.

If on the other hand ones opinion is based on ideas preached by men, lenses of interpretation
and the accepting we can do nothing about ourselves, then verses, or theology will bounce off
like water off a ducks back.

So all that is left is to attack individuals, try and discredit them, because there is nothing else
than personal standing.

It is why when believers come here and bring Gods word, His eternal truths, the Word that brings
us life, and shows obvious realities, we stand amazed that people claiming to listen to our King act
like the ideas and words are not His but some heresy or an alien deluded gospel not of God.

This should seriously worry those who say they are listening to the King.
It is obvious to me, a lot do not care at all, and are deaf, blind and dumb.

I was told by one contributor that the big sins were easy to not do, it was the little things, that
showed the hypocracy. We then got talking about what these sins were and they were all big,
and the hypocracy was daily not dealing with them in repentance and faith.

I heard on a video a believer praying, "We do not want to fill our speech with just words, because
our culture is so full of words."

Translation, he wanted words with reality, but his words did not reflect what was really going on
and he knew this. The failure was in not then repenting and making his words mean what they
were meant to mean, but rather he continued on the idea words are not meaningful, but God
created all we are through words, and He is the word of Life to us, so words are foundational.

But listening to these believers, belief or faith is the cornerstone, and everything else is wishy
washy, you just need to belong and you are fine. Question the belonging, and you are instantly
the enemy condemning and bringing splits in the fellowship.

So I cannot take one of them seriously, in any regard. Their goal is to just make more passive
discouraged people who are rejoicing in sinning and doing nothing.

Judgement will begin in the house of God. The spiritual house of God made up of many lively stones house of God is not God but as new creatures we do have the power of God in us (the cloud of His presence) but it isnever of us. Like fingerprints we all have a private interpretation in a living hope of seeking the approval of the author and finisher of the Bible, called heresy.

Some find themselves under a law of men called the law of the fathers. They in effect stand in judgment of its laws which are not subject to change .Like the law of grace. They will as it seem do whatever they can to make grace into a work we can perform as evidence they have the Holy Spirit. Therefore turning the things of God upside down and rather seeking the outward approval of men

One way is they accuse the grace of God is the license to sin to those who hold to (OSAS) or attach another word to grace to make it sound flakey. Like “hyper grace” to make the grace of God seem too high and lofty as if it was the work of Satan. . .

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:12

Both the doctrines of God and those of men present their case from above. While those which promote killing the perceived competition(out of sight out of mind ) those who walk by faith lean on the grace of God which not only saves us but it continues to teach men to say no to ungodliness all the days of their life on earth. Once grace begins it work of teaching us, guiding us, bringing to our mind the former things it has taught us.It never stops providing the milk of the word . God is gracious .Satan is not.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;Tit 2:11

Satan would never promote a person to promote grace. He is the killer of grace, a murder from the beginning.

Grace is un-merited favor on our behalf. It is not without merited favor But is a merited work of faith on behalf of God alone who works in us to both will and do his good pleasure. It is not subject to change or be down played. Without grace, mercy with be useless and make God into a merciless God.
Grace is not a license to sin but is a guarantee of a full pardon .

 

[PJW]

Glad to see the workers for, law keepers and sinless perfectionists are keeping all applicable laws 24/7/365 to remain sinless.....if not your condemned and of the "debil Bobby Bouche"..............

Oh wait.....NO ONE keeps the law 24/7/365......exactly why we need the grace and mercy of God found in Christ.....

The rebellious will be given just enough rope to hang themselves.
Thanks be to God for making a way to remain obedient, to remain in the light, to remain in the Spirit...instead of in the "flesh".
BTW, there are 100%ers on earth now...thanks be to God.

 

[Studyman]

If my opinion or anyone else’s opinions matter why do you say “You didn’t answer my question?
I have an inkling as to why you said what you did in the first quote.

However I alway seek the best in people.

I always endeavour to answer questions and I probably miss a few.

So if I have missed yours please accept my apologies and can you please ask the question that I missed again.

Thanks

Bill

You seem to have forgotten the reason for my response in the first place.

You said:

H

i a Studyman

That doesn’t really answer my question to PJW who said that God will not listen to until I stop sinning (that’s how it came accross)

I know you are trying to encourage others to read the bible and what it says for itself and follow that because that is true and not what man made doctrines say and I agree.

But we all need to realise that our interpretation can be wrong but may not know it. That’s why interaction with each other is important.

Then I said:

Jesus pretty much offended just about every religious person on the planet at one point or another. The scripture says what it says. If you haven't studied, how can you make a judgment on someone who has?

What is the difference between

Prov. 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

And

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I hope you will honor me with an answer to this question.

If my opinion or anyone else’s opinions matter why do you say “You didn’t answer my question?
I have an inkling as to why you said what you did in the first quote.

I'm quite sure you have no inkling Bill.

I thought we were having a discussion about the inference that God doesn't hear those who reject His Word. My point is that the Word of God offends people when they are living in opposition to it. You seemed offended by the idea that God wouldn't hear you if you didn't obey Him.

I asked you if there is any difference between two scriptures, one written by inspiration of the Spirit of God in the Old Testament, and One written as from the very Word's of Jesus.

Since you assume my interpretation may be off, which is fine, I wanted to hear what you believe we should infer from these two scriptures.

I know how hard it is to remember what is spoken in all these different discussions. No apology needed.

I hope you can find the time to share your thought on this topic we were discussing. If I were not interested, trust me, I wouldn't have asked

 

[stonesoffire]

H:

First I want to say I do love you is Yahshua and have enjoyed many of your posts, however, some of these ideas are not fully biblical based or vaguely biblical based

S:

thank you. I love you too in the Lord. We are all part of His body. So let's share and see what the problem is here.


H:
A triune being? What? This is over spiritualized non-Scriptural ideas, a study of what the Spirit of YHWH actually is...When one follows Yahshua they don’t lose there physical senses, they are taught to follow Him in truth, through guidance and chastisement, they are not a holy Spirit robot, but the as you said, “walk with Him in light” what is light? Righteousness (His ways) or sin (against His ways). What does the Law teach? His ways or against His ways?

Psalm 119:151-152, “You are near, O יהוה, And all Your commands are truth. Of old I have known Your witnesses, That You have founded them forever.”

S:

Yes, we are a triune being.


1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.



H:
I'm not not Jewish, nor have I ever claimed to be… So the renewing of man involves the loving of His Law (dirty word right? That scary Law, how about Instructions?)

S:

I apologize. The presentation of your name, the Hebrew names you use led me to believe you were Messianic Jew. I should of asked.

H:
These are 2 different things, one is being renewed because His Spirit being upon us, and the other is being reborn in a spirit body;

S:
I understand the anointing coming upon men to empower because this was the way He operated in the OT with the prophets.

However, now Holy Spirit comes up out of our Spirit to speak in the anointing, or we have a witness of anointing to move out to minister to one. I don't understand your words that we are renewed because His Spirit is upon.

"Being reborn in a spirit body" What does this mean? I like the word conversion to explain our new spiritual birth. Instant change of nature. We know something happened and we are filled with joy, peace, all these things, and begin to witness to others. We may not know how to explain it at the beginning.

H:
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

S:

who is this covenant for? Is this the new covenant or the old for the nation of Israel. What I see in scripture, is that Jesus left a "will". That we who are the Sons of God inherit all of Him. And then He sent Holy Spirit to us to enforce it so to speak.

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

I mentioned in a previous post about the Word covenant and the meaning of the Hebrew beryith. This is the sacrifice that Jesus fulfilled on the Cross which was the promise to Abraham that he would have seed from all the nations. If one studies the word it will be seen.

If we have a new nature, which we do, and it is Holy, which it is because God puts His seal on our inner man, the Kings stamp of approval, and we are perfected forever because of the sacrifice of blood, why would we need the law which is for the lawless. We desire righteousness, and pursue the Presence that we might know Him, and the power of His resurrection. This is the work of Holy Spirit and is seen in the promises.

I'm not just speaking wind without substance.

H:
The Law is Spiritual and the spiritual man seeks to follow it;

S:
The Spirit of the law is good. The literal or the written in the mind of religion can destroy.

H:
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”

The man that is not spiritual can not even seek to follow it;

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."”

1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Forthis corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality,then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”

S:
The natural man without Jesus is under the judgement or the wrath of God and is already condemned.


H:
The Law only condemns? Yeah those who are against it…

Stones

We have the ministry of reconciliation. To lift up the Cross to all men. Jesus died for all. Loves all.



Hizkiyah

Romans 7 -12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

And it is love:

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Proverbs 6:23, “For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light, And reproofs of discipline a way of life.”

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnationto them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah(Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their revilings.”

Romans 7 -7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.

1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."





I will trust Yahshua;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh – the smallest of the letters – will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

stones

No one said we hate law. The purpose for law is for the lawless. Is this not what Paul said. No one said we love sin. We are in the period of grace. Grace is the divine influence upon our hearts which reflects in our life, resulting in gratitude. Scripture says we are given all things according to life and godliness which is Holy Spirit and His grace within. Scripture says that God has poured out His love within us, KJV says it as shed abroad in our hearts by Christ Jesus. His anointing. Holy Spirit.

So my conclusion. We have the all we need to be conformed to His image through the gift of Holy Spirit, and the written law could never do that until now.

We meditate on the scriptures and this has great value and benefits us within. And we seek to see Jesus in the scriptures.

But under law No. We are free to follow His leading by His Spirit.

 

[Magenta]

I asked you if there is any difference between two scriptures, one written by inspiration of the Spirit of God in the Old Testament, and One written as from the very Word's of Jesus.

There are people who accept the words of Jesus as being somehow more trustworthy than other words written by the very same author, as if somehow saying "Jesus said this" makes the gospel writer suddenly more trustworthy in their witness. Just goes to show how illogical people can be...

 

[garee]

Rev. 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Luke warm works (no grace of God) come from those who lost the first love.... the hearing of the faith, of God, as he gives men ears to hear what the Spirit is saying.

Not Nicole of the leader of the Nicolaitanes . Rather than making the scriptures their first love the hearing the voice of Him who remains unseen they have their source of faith in respect to heresies or private interpretations of men as that seen ,the temporal .(It is a warning that reveals the Antichrists)

We must do the first works of the grace of God therefore believing God that works in us as our teacher. And not have that final authority in respect to men. Like that of the Pope.

But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.Rev 2:6

 

[PJW]

You still do not understand what BAD FRUIT is. It is those things that I had in RED LETTERS on that previous post about the fruit listed Galations Chapter 5; and THOSE BAD FRUITS REPRESENT A LIFESTYLE OF DOING THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
Gal. 5:
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry {which is greed}, sorcery {can be abuse of DRUGS, the word is "pharmakeia", guess what .the sorcerer's magic potions were} , hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
The key word that tells us that HE is talking about lifestyle characteristics, and not one time sins, is the word practice in verse 21. Ever since you showed up here, you have been producing: strife, dissensions, and factions. You certainly are of a FACTION, THAT WANTS TO ADD HUMAN WORKS to the GOSPEL OF SALVATION, instead of accepting the COMPLETED, PERFECT work of JESUS CHRIST. That makes the GOSPEL you preach a False Gospel.

Is the same criticism valid for Mark?
He wrote..."And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Mark 13:13)
Do you consider "enduring" to be a "work"?

If we can find ONE example of how the Lord GOD saves people in the Bible, then we will know how he saves all who are to be SAVED, because HE SAID THIS:

Malachi 3:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I, the LORD, do not change;
therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.
Romans 4:1-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] What then can we say that Abraham, our physical ancestor, has found?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to brag about—but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness
READ IT AGAIN, THE LORD GOD DECLARED ABRAHAM TO BE RIGHTEOUS TOTALLY APART FROM WORKS. You are preaching a FALSE GOSPEL. Works are not a means to SALVATION, only BELIEVING GOD has a part in SALVATION. Works are just a way to show our LOVE for GOD, they are not part of getting us SAVED, nor part of keeping us saved. THAT WAS A DONE DEAL, THE MOMENT WE CHOSE TO BELIEVE IN HIM.

Isn't "believing" a "work"?
Isn't "faith" a "work"?
The "works" Paul wrote of were the "deeds of the law",...ie. dietary laws, circumcision, carnal washings, feast keeping, the priesthood, temple worship...etc.
None of these things could provide salvation for a man.
But faith, and confession, and baptism, and aiding neighbors and prayer and fasting, and till enduring till the end are NOT works.
They are the proof of our upcoming salvation.
They are the proof, the manifestation, of God working on earth today.

Then you go on, apparently implying that you are of the only TRUE CHURCH. Is that an example of selfish ambitions or what? Yes our human spirits were sanctified the moment of SALVATION when the Holy Spirit first entered our hearts birthing our human spirits into eternal life, HOWEVER, YOU INGNORE that we have told you several times that our biblical beliefs are that NOBODY will be rid of that Sin Nature in our bodies, until THE LORD JESUS changes it to a Glorified Body like HIS, at the Rapture. That is because the Sanctification process of the body is an ongoing lifestyle of becoming more and more like Christ, that will not be completed perfect until were have that Glorified body when HE stops mid-air, sending the Archangel on ahead to SHOUT, and calling us OUT to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, in Heaven.

If the Holy Ghost is in your heart, isn't He telling you that obedience to God has an 'up-side'?

Now since you seem to only be producing strife, dissensions, and factions, which are grievous sins, I will make a prediction.
By this time next week, most of us here will have added you to our IGNORE LIST.

Thank you for aligning me with Jesus, who said..."Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three." (Luke 12:51-52)
If your "prophecy" is of God, it will come true.
If it is not, can we have you removed from the site?

 

[garee]

There are people who accept the words of Jesus as being somehow more trustworthy than other words written by the very same author, as if somehow saying "Jesus said this" makes the gospel writer suddenly more trustworthy in their witness. Just goes to show how illogical people can be...

Amen its one of the what I call.. "think not doctrines" that some might use to puff themselves up as if they did not freely receive their portion but worked harder than the ones hired in the last hour.Even though they had previous agreed on price. the reward is the same for everyone (a penny equals eternal life , as one payment paid in full)

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?1Co 4:6

 

[Hizikyah]

praiseYah for His people. Thank you for the kindness and sincerity. Ohh and the name "Hizikyah" means YHWH will prevail!!!! I like it, it's fun! and true!

H:
These are 2 different things, one is being renewed because His Spirit being upon us, and the other is being reborn in a spirit body;

S:
I understand the anointing coming upon men to empower because this was the way He operated in the OT with the prophets.

However, now Holy Spirit comes up out of our Spirit to speak in the anointing, or we have a witness of anointing to move out to minister to one. I don't understand your words that we are renewed because His Spirit is upon.

"Being reborn in a spirit body" What does this mean? I like the word conversion to explain our new spiritual birth. Instant change of nature. We know something happened and we are filled with joy, peace, all these things, and begin to witness to others. We may not know how to explain it at the beginning.

OK to avoind confusion im going to try not to use "terminology" but explain, so please be gentle if I dont word it right;

I see this as the new man when one accepts Yahshua and He begins to work on their heart, I think most people call this "reborn" I do not, I call it things like renewal of the man/woman/heart, having the Spirit of Yah, etc."

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

This is what I call being reborn or "Being reborn in a spirit body"

1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”

Terminology dosent matter to me so much as understanding what actually happens

H:
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

S:
who is this covenant for? Is this the new covenant or the old for the nation of Israel. What I see in scripture, is that Jesus left a "will". That we who are the Sons of God inherit all of Him. And then He sent Holy Spirit to us to enforce it so to speak.

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

I mentioned in a previous post about the Word covenant and the meaning of the Hebrew beryith. This is the sacrifice that Jesus fulfilled on the Cross which was the promise to Abraham that he would have seed from all the nations. If one studies the word it will be seen.

If we have a new nature, which we do, and it is Holy, which it is because God puts His seal on our inner man, the Kings stamp of approval, and we are perfected forever because of the sacrifice of blood, why would we need the law which is for the lawless. We desire righteousness, and pursue the Presence that we might know Him, and the power of His resurrection. This is the work of Holy Spirit and is seen in the promises.

I'm not just speaking wind without substance.

There is only one Covenant, not one for Israel and one for the rest;

Mat 15:24, “And He answering, said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Yisra’yl.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

H:
The Law is Spiritual and the spiritual man seeks to follow it;

S:
The Spirit of the law is good. The literal or the written in the mind of religion can destroy.

S:
The natural man without Jesus is under the judgement or the wrath of God and is already condemned.

H:
The Law only condemns? Yeah those who are against it…

Stones

We have the ministry of reconciliation. To lift up the Cross to all men. Jesus died for all. Loves all.

stones

No one said we hate law. The purpose for law is for the lawless. Is this not what Paul said. No one said we love sin. We are in the period of grace. Grace is the divine influence upon our hearts which reflects in our life, resulting in gratitude. Scripture says we are given all things according to life and godliness which is Holy Spirit and His grace within. Scripture says that God has poured out His love within us, KJV says it as shed abroad in our hearts by Christ Jesus. His anointing. Holy Spirit.

So my conclusion. We have the all we need to be conformed to His image through the gift of Holy Spirit, and the written law could never do that until now.

We meditate on the scriptures and this has great value and benefits us within. And we seek to see Jesus in the scriptures.

But under law No. We are free to follow His leading by His Spirit.

Saying the Law is for the Lawlesss andleaing it there is not the whole story, there are way more times the Law is called, the truth, the light, the path, righteous, etc. Yet 1 or 2 times it is called for the lawless, and Paul himself says the law is holy and that he follows it, andhe says as I quoted the carnal man cant subject himself to it, and it is Spiritual, also Yahshua says it will never pass till heaven andearth does and in Like its easier for heaven and earth to pass than the Law... The problem is enmity towards it, and that many of us, myself incuded were taught it was old and bad, when that is not the case. I can give a ton of Scriptures on this, but I have already given a number of them so... just one will do;

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459, Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law, 1a) because ignorant of it, 1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

According to Yahshua, not me (I do agree but He said it)

Because people are without the Law of YHWH it causes people to not have love. Thus if one is Law abiding and subbmitting to it would naturally make them more loving. and bottom line, ifones walk does not naturally and spirit led to do the things in the Law that person is being led by the wrong spirit, because Yah Spirit would never go against His Law.

If we have a new nature, which we do, and it is Holy, which it is because God puts His seal on our inner man, the Kings stamp of approval, and we are perfected forever because of the sacrifice of blood, why would we need the law which is for the lawless. We desire righteousness, and pursue the Presence that we might know Him, and the power of His resurrection. This is the work of Holy Spirit and is seen in the promises.

I'm not just speaking wind without substance.

I agree, but I want to Scriptually expound on that;

2 Timothy 2:19, "However, the solid foundation of Yah stands firm, having this seal*, “ יהוה knows those who are His, Let everyone who names the Name of Messiah turn away from unrighteousness.”

Strong's Concordance *"seal"is word #G4973 - sphragis: a seal, a signet, Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: sphragis, Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece'), Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof, Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.

The word “unrighteousness” is word #G93 ἀδικία – adikia, ad-ee-kee'-ah, (legal) injustice (properly the quality, by implication the act); moral wrongfulness (of charter, life or act):—iniquity, unjust, unrighteousness, wrong.

1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."​

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

and this NT principle perfectly matches this OT principle;

Exodus 13:9, “And it shall be as a *sign to you on your hand and as a reminder between your eyes, that the Torah (Instructions/Law) of יהוה is to be in your mouth, for with a strong hand יהוה has brought you out of Mitsrayim.”

The word *Sign is word #H226 – owth from Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Hebrew Dictionary: meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.


H226 אוֹת 'owth (oth), a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc., [probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing)], KJV: mark, miracle, (en-)sign, token.


that seal or mark is the mark of YHWH, oppisite to the mark of the beast

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

“mystery” is word # G3466 - Mustérion, Strong's Concordance, mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: mustérion, Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on), Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

 

[PJW]

Do you actually walk by these words? Never have had an unrighteous thought? Never had a burst of uncontrolled anger? Never said a word to anyone that offended? Told a lie?

I walk by these words.
My conversion was total, thanks be to God.
Jesus commanded us to be perfect as God is perfect...(Matt 5:48), then created the ways and means of achieving it.

It is the work of Holy Spirit to sanctify.

You will need at least one verse to augment your assertion, if you mean sanctify our vessels-bodies.
It is written..."[FONT=&quot]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)

I do realize that food, for instance, can be sanctified by the word and prayer, (1 Tim 4:5), and Jesus was sanctified by the Father, (John 10:36), and some others were sanctified by the truth, (John 17:19), and others were sanctified by faith in Christ, (Acts 26:18), and the offering up of the Gentiles was sanctified by the Holy Ghost, (Rom 15:16).

I don't deny your assertion, (and perhaps it needs a thread of its own), but you should show which verse(s) you rely on.[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

There are people who accept the words of Jesus as being somehow more trustworthy than other words written by the very same author, as if somehow saying "Jesus said this" makes the gospel writer suddenly more trustworthy in their witness. Just goes to show how illogical people can be...

I agree, I asked if BG thought there was any difference, because I don't believe there is, in fact, I don't believe we can judge any scripture more righteous or "truer" than another. I agree with you that there are "many" that do.

 

[PJW]

The Republic of Lithuania

AAAAHHHH!
Never would have guessed.
I appreciate your many posted verses.

Is there really much Christianity going on over there?

 

[garee]

Is the same criticism valid for Mark?
He wrote..."And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Mark 13:13)
Do you consider "enduring" to be a "work"?

Yes it a work of God the eternal enduring one. Coming from the faith of Christ as the work of Christ. He gives us a new spirit and a new heart that will never die but will be raised on the last day when we freely receive the goal of our faith our new incorruptible bodies. .

If he has begun the good work he promises he will continue working in us to both will and do His good pleasure to the very end. It works to give us His confidence. Some hold to a confidence of their own flesh. Christ calls them workers of iniquity the same to whom he says...I never knew you.

Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Who began the good work of salvation in you and how do you know you could finish it? Are you confident enough to finish the work?

Isn't "believing" a "work"?

Yes it is the work of God that we can believe Him not seen Not the imagination of our own heart ,the human source of faith.

Isn't "faith" a "work"?

Yes Christ works by planning ahead as a work of His faith or a labor of His Love.

But faith, and confession, and baptism, and aiding neighbors and prayer and fasting, and till enduring till the end are NOT works.

It is considered dead faith that can only produce dead works if we offer what we perform towards Him . Its his faith that comes by hearing Him towards us that does count.. making His work of faith (planning and executing) perfect. .

It is impossible to separate works (the execution) from faith (the planning) .

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith "toward" God,Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.Heb 6:1

Fasting is preaching the gospel, it does the work of converting the soul if the Holy Spirit applies it to a person’s new heart .
They are the works of God that he works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure .Just as his faith worked in Abraham ans Rehab therefore making the faith of Christ perfect as he dis work in them . He calls the perfect work of faith an imputed righteousness. No man will be found with a thread of righteousness of their own selves.

They are the proof of our upcoming salvation.
They are the proof, the manifestation, of God working on earth today.

No such thing as a sign gift needed to prove a person has the Holy Spirit. Signs are for those who rebel, the evil generation, natural man. Prophecy for the believers.

 

[BillG]

You seem to have forgotten the reason for my response in the first place.

You said:

H

Then I said:

Jesus pretty much offended just about every religious person on the planet at one point or another. The scripture says what it says. If you haven't studied, how can you make a judgment on someone who has?

What is the difference between

Prov. 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

And

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I hope you will honor me with an answer to this question.



I'm quite sure you have no inkling Bill.

I thought we were having a discussion about the inference that God doesn't hear those who reject His Word. My point is that the Word of God offends people when they are living in opposition to it. You seemed offended by the idea that God wouldn't hear you if you didn't obey Him.

I asked you if there is any difference between two scriptures, one written by inspiration of the Spirit of God in the Old Testament, and One written as from the very Word's of Jesus.

Since you assume my interpretation may be off, which is fine, I wanted to hear what you believe we should infer from these two scriptures.

I know how hard it is to remember what is spoken in all these different discussions. No apology needed.

I hope you can find the time to share your thought on this topic we were discussing. If I were not interested, trust me, I wouldn't have asked

Thank you for responding and clarifying, I genuinely appreciate it.

I did have an inkling.
This inkling was that I said to a fellow poster that he didn’t answer my question.
Then you said the same to me. So my assumption was you said the said the same to me in order to back up the fellow poster.
Thats where I was coming from.
So if I have got that wrong then I apologise to you.

I myself thought we were having a conversation as well. And if you read most of my posts I like to engage, even if we don’t agree.

To be honest with your first question I think I have answered that but I don’t think it to you.
I posted about my response to someone else and said “You can’t make a judgement call on someone else because they disagree with you, if you do then you are judging. We will be judged as we judge”

I thought I answered your question Prov 28.9. With thoughts with other verses. I can’t go back and check becuase my IPad is limited in what it can do against what a laptop can do.

With regards to Matt 7:22 I have missed that.

With regards to that what I see is people boasting before God what great works they have done.

Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

To me Jesus is not turned by that. We know that

Mark 9:38-41
Jesus Forbids Sectarianism
38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”
39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.

For me there is one thing I know that I seek more than anything else. When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats.

Matthew 25:31-46
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

The sheep loved people and went about the will of the Father, to goats didn’t.

They will claim works of wonders but have not love for Jesus and his people.
Self glorification and nothing more.

I get very upset when people condemn others because they admit they sin and condemn them as servants of sin and therfore going to hell.

To me to come before God and admit I sinned and please help me not to is more humble than the person who stands before Jesus and says “Aren’t I Good, I’m sinless?

I will always stand with the humble, just like Jesus did. I will walk alongside the the believer with an addiction, the believer who can’t accept that God loves them the believer who wants to be like Jesus.

I will engage with person who comes against that and condemn them that GOD WILL NOT HEAR THEM BECAUSE THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THEY SIN AND CALL THEM A SLAVE TO SIN AND THEREFORE NOT SAVED.

But if they continue with that attitude I will ignore them and come alongside those he has said that to.

 

[VCO]

Do you actually walk by these words? Never have had an unrighteous thought? Never had a burst of uncontrolled anger? Never said a word to anyone that offended? Told a lie?

It is the work of Holy Spirit to sanctify.

Gee, haven't we seen him doing all of that on this thread? And he does not even seem to know what Sins of Omission are.


Romans 15:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Acts 26:18 (ASV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes, that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

Exodus 29:43 (ESV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] There I will meet with the people of Israel, and it shall be sanctified by my glory.


1 Corinthians 6:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And some of you used to be like this. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrews 10:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] By this will ⌊of God⌋, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once and for all.


Hebrews 10:14 (CSBBible)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are sanctified.


Hebrews 10:29 (CSBBible)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, who has regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?


1 Peter 1:2 (NRSV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance.


Stones, I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says "sanctified by my works and deeds", and I looked hard.

I wonder how PJW explains that away?

 

[BillG]

Gee, haven't we seen him doing all of that on this thread? And he does not even seem to know what Sins of Omission are.


Romans 15:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Acts 26:18 (ASV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes, that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

Exodus 29:43 (ESV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] There I will meet with the people of Israel, and it shall be sanctified by my glory.


1 Corinthians 6:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And some of you used to be like this. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrews 10:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] By this will ⌊of God⌋, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once and for all.


Hebrews 10:14 (CSBBible)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are sanctified.


Hebrews 10:29 (CSBBible)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, who has regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?


1 Peter 1:2 (NRSV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance.


Stones, I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says "sanctified by my works and deeds", and I looked hard.

I wonder how PJW explains that away?

He won’t be able to.

Verses posted out of context with no explanation of why.
When you disagree you are a servant of sin because you acknowledge sin as a beleiver.
And If you do you have a backsack with all your sins in them whilst going to hell.

Cultic to the very core.

I advise everyone here to ignore him.

There are people on here that we don’t necessarily agree with but I know they want to encourage us to be like Jesus and grow in him

 

[Hizikyah]

Here are a few Scriptures about those who Sanctify themselves and those sanctified by YHWH;

Isaiah 66:17, those who sanctify themselves and cleanse themselves at the gardens after ‘one’ in the midst, eating flesh of pigs and the abomination and the mouse, are snatched away, together,” declares יהוה.

Isa 65:4, "who sit among the burial-sites, and spend the night in secret places, who eat flesh of pigs,a and the broth of unclean meat is in their pots.

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #H226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

This is the same Hebrew word (owth) from Exodus 13:9, this time it is used speaking of a specific Law; the Sabbath and is called the sign/mark/evidence of consent. Also notice how YHWH says, “I am YHWH Who sanctifies them.” If I choose my own way I “sanctify myself” if I choose His way “He sanctifies me.” The following passage shows an example of those who “sanctify themselves” and if we consider the context of time frame, it is end times, shown by the return of YHWH when He will make judgment;

Isaiah 66:15-24, For, behold, יהוה will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16, For by fire and by his sword will יהוה plead with all flesh: and the slain of יהוה shall be many. 17, They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one in the center (H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning followingbehind one in the centerof a congregation), eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith יהוה. 18, For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19, And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. 20, And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto יהוה out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith יהוה, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of יהוה. 21, And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith יהוה. 22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith יהוה, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith יהוה. 24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

(H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning followingbehind one in the centerof a congregation)

H310 אַחַר 'achar (ach-ar') adv., 1. (properly) the hind part., 2. (generally, as adverb or conjunction) after (in various senses)., [from H309]

H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj., 1. (properly) united, i.e. one., 2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]

H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek (taw'-vek) n-m., 1. a bisection., 2. (by implication) the center.

Exodus 31:13-17, “Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days YHWH made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed.”