Wow, we have another false teacher here right joefizz?
He needs to realize the Israel spoken of refers to Romans 2:29.
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Wow, we have another false teacher here right joefizz?
He needs to realize the Israel spoken of refers to Romans 2:29.
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"Most Christians don't"????
You realize that you are presuming alot about many people that you have never even met or spoken with in anywise,yet somehow you know that they don't know scripture well,that's a bit of a stretch and very much asking for trouble as well,only God knows about people in depth as well as their hearts,not us,Blue lady bug has a point it's not so easy to figure out people from just words,we are to observe if their works bear good fruit,not take a guess and have our presumption come hit us in the face later so to speak,and besides despite "how people act" we are to care for Everyone's souls and have compassion for them when they are in need,for one must always remember one's place,God didn't have to create anyone of us,he didn't have to have mercy on us when we were against him,he didn't have to make promises of salvation or otherwise to anyone.
He is God we are not,we should follow after his examples of mercy,compassion,and wisdom,not keep ourselves safe and leave the lost to continue wandering dark corridors of sin,it is no wonder that in God's word it is written,"Judge not lest ye be judged" because how many people in this world do just that,judging someone without cause,denying someone help when they are in need just because we may take it to our heads thinking"they're riff raff they don't deserve salvation or my help",who does deserve salvation or God's mercy,whom deserved Jesus dieing for their sins so they would not die in sin?
Noone,we can get big egos due to religion and wealth,and forget whom gave us the possibility of such things becoming content and not seeking to help when God urges us to,"Judging is best for God to do,we can keep abominations far from us and have a place of worship but we are not to ignore each other,we are not to pass someone by who is in need and having the resources to help thinking"I help those who are like me,why should I bother helping someone who doesn't know God"!?
Well we gotta think again,did we always "know God"did he leave us to fend for ourselves when we had not?
Nay,We should indeed keep sin far from us by not seeking it but when one comes to us whom has sinful ways,we ought to be able to help them just as God would,and guide them when we can,not partake in their sinfulness but help them,"Despite their sinfulness".
You can know one by the fruits they bear not by the mere ways they look or act but rather what they bring forth,good or bad,of their works.
The Law of sacrifice was what he fulfilled. Is Heaven and the earth still here, if the answer is yes, then we must still abide by the law.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Luke 24:44 KJV - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Proverbs 28:4 KJV - They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Romans 3:31 KJV - 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 2:13 KJV - (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
The Law of sacrifice was the only law done away with
Hebrews 10:4 KJV - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 KJV - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 KJV - In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 KJV - Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 KJV - Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
You must use the precepts to get an understanding, rightly dividing the word.
Acts 3:18 KJV - But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Law is good but we need to know it's still valid
Romans 7:16 KJV - If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Proverbs 6:23 KJV - For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
All of TMH's laws and commandments are in affect except for the law of sacrifice. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Precept on precept line upon line here a little and there a little. This is biblical Isa.28:10
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Luke 24:44 KJV - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Proverbs 28:4 KJV - They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Romans 3:31 KJV - 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 2:13 KJV - (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
The Law of sacrifice was the only law done away with
Hebrews 10:4 KJV - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 KJV - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 KJV - In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 KJV - Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 KJV - Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
You must use the precepts to get an understanding, rightly dividing the word.
Acts 3:18 KJV - But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Law is good but we need to know it's still valid
Romans 7:16 KJV - If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Proverbs 6:23 KJV - For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
All of TMH's laws and commandments are in affect except for the law of sacrifice. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Precept on precept line upon line here a little and there a little. This is biblical Isa.28:10
The Law of sacrifice was what he fulfilled. Is Heaven and the earth still here, if the answer is yes, then we must still abide by the law.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luke 24:44 KJV - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Proverbs 28:4 KJV - They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Romans 3:31 KJV - 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 2:13 KJV - (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
The Law of sacrifice was the only law done away with
Hebrews 10:4 KJV - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 KJV - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 KJV - In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 KJV - Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 KJV - Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
You must use the precepts to get an understanding, rightly dividing the word.
Acts 3:18 KJV - But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Law is good but we need to know it's still valid
Romans 7:16 KJV - If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Proverbs 6:23 KJV - For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
All of TMH's laws and commandments are in affect except for the law of sacrifice. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Precept on precept line upon line here a little and there a little. This is biblical Isa.28:10
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luke 24:44 KJV - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Proverbs 28:4 KJV - They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Romans 3:31 KJV - 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 2:13 KJV - (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
The Law of sacrifice was the only law done away with
Hebrews 10:4 KJV - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 KJV - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 KJV - In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 KJV - Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 KJV - Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
You must use the precepts to get an understanding, rightly dividing the word.
Acts 3:18 KJV - But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Law is good but we need to know it's still valid
Romans 7:16 KJV - If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Proverbs 6:23 KJV - For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
All of TMH's laws and commandments are in affect except for the law of sacrifice. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Precept on precept line upon line here a little and there a little. This is biblical Isa.28:10
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So,you believe Jesus died,so we could still die to the law?
don't you realize how bizarre that is?
That's about like saying"Jesus died and fulfilled the law but we must obey the law of moses,because we can abide by it without breaking the commandments and statutes of the law",once again that makes no sense,if we can observe to abide by a commandment God certainly appreciates the effort but in truth if you break one commandment you break them all,hence Jesus coming to die for our sins,obtaining the keys of hell,and having paul preach salvation to the Gentiles,the law is not done away with but Jesus's sacrifice protects us from dieing to the law.
Well, if the law of animal sacrifice was the only law that was fulfilled, then I'm guessing you believe males must still be circumcised, we can't eat unclean animals, and we must observe a Saturday Sabbath then, amongst a ton of other laws.
All of that goes directly against Scripture you realize?
I seek to hear and obey Yahshua;
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”
Ye men of Israel, the book is written about them and salvation is for them only.
Matt 1:26 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Lev 26:12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
Luke 1:26 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Luke 1:69 KJV - 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
Luke 1:77 KJV - To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
John 4:22 KJV - 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Matthew 15:24 KJV - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matt 1:26 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Lev 26:12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
Luke 1:26 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Luke 1:69 KJV - 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
Luke 1:77 KJV - To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
John 4:22 KJV - 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Matthew 15:24 KJV - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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Walls and walls of lines and lines of scripture's, and this is your commentary;
Quote: TrueHebrew3; "Law is good but we need to know it's still valid"
"counterfeit gospel" = "counterfeit Christ"
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Not surprising that you quoted luke but not one of the "Most important parts of Luke" allow me to enlighten you...
Luke chp.2 verses8-11(KJV)
"And there was in the same country shepherds abiding in the field,keeping watch over their flock by night.
And lo,the angel of the Lord came upon them,and the glory of the Lord shone round about them:and they were sore afraid.
And the angel said unto them,Fear not:for,behold,I bring you good tidings of great joy,which shall be to all people.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour,which is Christ the Lord."
A similar segment of the bible is spoken in "Charlie Brown's Christmas from the book of luke,yet how you could overlook Christ becoming a possible saviour to "All" people I know not,perhaps ye wish not to see what is written for it cuts you to your heart.
[video=youtube;ZP37k831y9U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP37k831y9U[/video]
Amen Joefizz,
Hark the Hark the Hearald Angels Sing
By: Charlie Brown and Company
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I have it and watch it even when it isn't Christmas,a few words from the bible and an old time praising song,and you have something good to watch.
Agree Joefizz, my wife and I listen to Christmas songs all year long, they are beautiful worship to God.
Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel by The Franz Family
[video=youtube;p9Z-4H39BCM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Z-4H39BCM&list=PL5C4ED63A965D8244[/video]
If the book belongs to the Israelites, wouldn't ALL be Israel. After all the book was stolen from them. He came for the lost sheep of Israel.
Isa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. This is the precept to
John 3:16
Isa 40:15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.
Isa 40:16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.
Isa 40:17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. The precept to this is KJVA Bible. 2 Esdras 6:54-59
2 Esd 6:54 And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen.
2 Esd 6:55 All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes
2 Esd 6:56 As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.
2 Esd 6:57And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.
2 Esd 6:58 But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands.
2 Esd 6:59 If the world now be made for our sakes, why do we not possess an inheritance with the world? how long shall this endure?
The children of Israel is TMH's perculiar treasure. He has never referred to any other nation as a special people.
Psa 147:19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
Psa 147:20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.
Isa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. This is the precept to
John 3:16
Isa 40:15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.
Isa 40:16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.
Isa 40:17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. The precept to this is KJVA Bible. 2 Esdras 6:54-59
2 Esd 6:54 And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen.
2 Esd 6:55 All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes
2 Esd 6:56 As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.
2 Esd 6:57And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.
2 Esd 6:58 But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands.
2 Esd 6:59 If the world now be made for our sakes, why do we not possess an inheritance with the world? how long shall this endure?
The children of Israel is TMH's perculiar treasure. He has never referred to any other nation as a special people.
Psa 147:19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
Psa 147:20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.
Yep, and I renewed my NRA membership today, because I Believe JESUS himself justified carrying a self defense weapon.
Luke 22:36 (CSBBible)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Then he said to them, "But now, whoever has a money-bag should take it, and also a traveling bag. And whoever doesn't have a sword should sell his robe and buy one.
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. John 10:16, the words of Jesus, Who is the shepherd, and to Whose voice we hearken... not yours.
The word of God who is not a man as us does not belong to men. If the author is of God alone why make it about the corrupted flesh of men?.
The all Israel is to as many that have been given the Spirit of Christ, born again.
Yes he came for the lost sheep as an inward Jew not the lost goats in respect to the flesh the outward. The outward Jew stands no differently than a gentile of any nation.
The non-converted Jew as to those who are still waiting for the veil to be sewed back together that represented the flesh of Christ in so much that he has come and gone are shown as antichrists.
The litmus test (2John 1:7 ) that separates the sheep from the goats or the Israel from the Israel . He is not again again in the flesh the one time demonstration of his Spirit not seen is all that was promised. Crucifying him over and over only subjects Christ to public shame .
One sacrifice not over and over every time someone violates on law as to the letter of it.
Not all Israel are born again Christians .The new name he promised to name his people.
2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.