If by 'flesh' you mean self-effort (Ishmael, born of the flesh, Galatians 4:29), then, yes. 
Don't you mean dead works of the flesh?
Don't you mean dead works of the flesh?
Including that. Yes.![]()
That would mean many Jewish people are believing in the New Testament..
You're not addressing the question. If OSAS is true, why did the Corinthian fellow's flesh have to die in order to be saved on the day of Christ's return? We're being told here in this thread that our bad behavior has no effect whatsoever on what will happen on the Day of Christ's appearing.
What does the flesh of a Jew have to do with believing the gospel. Christ said His flesh profits for nothing. Does he believe the gospel ?
That is teaching people not to believe those who say you must be circumcised and keep the law of Moses to be saved...
If anyone teaches you that GOD's Law is dead works then I fear they have not been born again of the Holy Spirit and being guided and comforted.
For GOD's Law is good and love but we were carnal and needed to be Baptized with the Holy Spirit to not be be at enmity with GOD's Law.
It is true and that is why saints Keep the Commandments and have the Faith of Jesus.
Through Christ we have Victory and GOD be thanked in all things and for all things.
We know the answer is by the hearing of Faith.. yet some spy out our Liberty in Christ trying to marry us to the dead husband rather than be Faithful to the New.. which is the Messiah's Testament.
Those not under Grace at Liberty in Christ are dead in their tresspasses whether they are of the circumcision or not.. for both have been deemed in unbelief and must Repent and Believe and GOD will graft them in.
You will need to please elaborate.. then we can be clear. Thank you.
Not all obedience is not one trying to be justified by works, but rather doing what is right and therefore should be done by default. Those in Messiah Yahshua were not called out to live like those that dont follow Him.
Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”
More and more people are waking up from the dead works of the law, and I think it's exciting that we're all a part of this.
Don't you mean dead works of the flesh?
That would certainly be part of it. But that's not it exactly.If by 'flesh' you mean self-effort (Ishmael, born of the flesh, Galatians 4:29), then, yes.![]()
That would certainly be part of it. But that's not it exactly.
To get to the point, if we could, and did keep the deeds of the law we'd be righteous and we will have earned a place in the kingdom of God. So it's not doing what the law commands that is evil and which condemns us. What condemns us is not doing the law.
When we are not keeping the law we are walking in the deeds of the flesh. Salvation is about being born again through faith in Christ's forgiveness and as a result being equipped by the Spirit to fulfill the law. That is what we rejoice in when people get saved: Not their deliverance from having to do what the law requires as if doing the law equates to 'dead works of the law'. Instead we rejoice in the fact that because of God's Holy Spirit we can now fulfill the law we once could not. So, what we wake up from is our dead works of the flesh and awaken to a power to fulfill the deeds of the law (the ones that still have to be fulfilled).
This does not answer the question. Why does the sinning Corinthians fellow have to purposely be turned over to satan so that he can be saved? Paul is setting it as a condition for the salvation of this man. If he were talking about the death we're all going to die anyway someday there would be no need to command the church to turn him over to this....he along with the rest of us already have had that sentence pronounced on us.Christ suffered the second death. The first death all experience as evidence we were under his wrath living in a corrupted body called a body of death all the days of our lives. All die not receiving the promise of the new incorruptible body to house our new spirit that will never die. (OSAS)
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not "the promise":
"Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18) in way shape or form came to an end because of Christ. In fact, faith in Christ upholds the law (Romans 3:31).I'm sorry, PHart, but I totally disagree. My signature below is proof enough that "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
Good Morning Phart, Paul say's to hold fast, "the word (gospel) which I preached to you", which is a common theme of Paul's, ie. "so that we won't be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine." Eph.4:14.Faith RETAINED is both, the cause of salvation, and the evidence of salvation. People who cast aside the Word of Faith that saves are neither saved by that faith, nor do they have evidence of that faith in their lives.
You have to retain and hold fast the Word of faith to be saved by that word through which faith comes:(The bible does not teach this, you do).
"1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain (that Christ is not risen from the dead--see vs.14,17)." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)
"24As for you, If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (1 John 2:24 NASB)

You're not addressing the question. If OSAS is true, why did the Corinthian fellow's flesh have to die in order to be saved on the day of Christ's return? We're being told here in this thread that our bad behavior has no effect whatsoever on what will happen on the Day of Christ's appearing.
Notice to this thread: Hizikyah, is promoting a false doctrine; that we should return to the Mosaic Law. He also puts his Jewish roots "in front of his Christian Faith", distorting the True Gospel. Aside from that I am tired of seeing a wall of verses a mile long every time he adds a post, therefore by necessity I am putting Hizikyah on Ignore.
We can not earn Salvation by only obedience to the Law of the Creator, as James said and as Yahshua Himself said it takes faith and works. Romans 10:4 is a verses mistranslated in the majority of Bibles thus blurring the lines of truth. Christ is not “the end of the Law” but rather Yahshua showed the intent, ultimate result or goal (telos) of keeping the Law of YHWH.
The word translated “end” is word#G5056, τέλος, telos, tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
Lets look at places this word is used in the Konie Greek originals to get an idea of it meaning and context;
Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."
1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."
1 Peter 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith – the salvation of your souls."
If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away or at an end in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away or at an end in 1 Peter 1:9. Unless of course “telos” means the goal.
Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #G5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
James 5:11, “Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.”
James 5:11, “See, we call those blessed who endure. You have heard of the endurance of Iyoḇ and saw the purpose(telos) of יהוה, that He is very sympathetic and compassionate.”
1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end (telos) of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”
1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the goal (telos) of this command is love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and a sincere belief.”
Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
Romans 6:22, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end (telos) everlasting life.”
Romans 6:22, “But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of Yah, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the goal (telos); everlasting life.”
Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."
The word is used in the sense of the end result, the goal, the outcome, not in the sense of the obliteration of the Law…
1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”
1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of our instruction/command is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."
*goal is word #G5056 télos - Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
1 John 4:20, “"If someone says, "I love Yah," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love Yah whom he has not seen."
Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
Notice to this thread: Hizikyah, is promoting a false doctrine; that we should return to the Mosaic Law. He also puts his Jewish roots "in front of his Christian Faith", distorting the True Gospel. Aside from that I am tired of seeing a wall of verses a mile long every time he adds a post, therefore by necessity I am putting Hizikyah on Ignore.
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"We can not earn Salvation "by 'only' obedience to the Law of the Creator", as James said and as Yahshua Himself said it takes faith and works. Romans 10:4 is a verses mistranslated in the majority of Bibles thus blurring the lines of truth. Christ is not “the end of the Law” but rather Yahshua showed the intent, ultimate result or goal (telos) "of keeping the Law of YHWH."
Going back to Law, or "keeping the Law of YHWH", (God), is going in the wrong direction. Turn back to Christ/Messiah and you will find everlasting salvation and Peace with God.