Not By Works

[preacher4truth]

Why do you guys fight so hard? Trying to work your way in the Kingdom.

Each person in this thread opposed to your false gospel are resting in His righteousness. A righteousness you deny has been imputed to the believer. This is a well known fact, so who exactly are you trying to fool here? It certainly is not us.

When you use the word disgust, you know you have gone wrong.
Jesus talks simply how love works, and it is about being a shinning light.

Nonsensical and accusatory.

If you had this shinning light, I would be blinded, but you side step being made
clean, because you do not believe you are. That's where the discussion stops.
Unless you are clean you are lost in your sins.

Yes, of course, classic PeterJens telling others they are lost.

Tell us, PeterJens, what you believed since it wasn't that you believed in the imputed righteousness of Christ to cover your sins, and that as enough to literally provide you with full salvation, from the cross to the grave.

You've stated imputed righteousness is a neat little trick that does not work. And that the cross is not enough.

So tell us what your Jesus did for you instead? Offer you a chance to get in?

God bless you, I pray you may see the light of His glory and grace, amen.

Of course we have seen that, which is why we rest in His righteousness. Something you mockingly called "Jesus Spray" as if we took an aerosol can and sprayed ourselves with it. Rather a blasphemous thing to say, I might add.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Each person in this thread opposed to your false gospel are resting in His righteousness. A righteousness you deny has been imputed to the believer. This is a well known fact, so who exactly are you trying to fool here? It certainly is not us.



Nonsensical and accusatory.



Yes, of course, classic PeterJens telling others they are lost.

Tell us, PeterJens, what you believed since it wasn't that you believed in the imputed righteousness of Christ to cover your sins, and that as enough to literally provide you with full salvation, from the cross to the grave.

You've stated imputed righteousness is a neat little trick that does not work. And that the cross is not enough.

So tell us what your Jesus did for you instead? Offer you a chance to get in?



Of course we have seen that, which is why we rest in His righteousness. Something you mockingly called "Jesus Spray" as if we took an aerosol can and sprayed ourselves with it. Rather a blasphemous thing to say, I might add.

When we can see ppl mocking the word of God, we've seen all we need to know.

 

[preacher4truth]

When we can see ppl mocking the word of God, we've seen all we need to know.

Agreed and very saddening. "Jesus Spray?" Really? That is how one would refer to our LORD and His righteousness given us? Wow!

 

[VCO]

Only a "Charismatic" would do these things?

How is attacking another group of brothers and sisters an act of Christian Love?

You got a point, I stand corrected.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Now the imputation of the Christ's righteousness to His ppl is being cheapened and called "Jesus Spray."

Now, to those who hold to this hideous notion that one can be saved and then void it and end up lost again, was this "Jesus Spray" watered down? As you can see, this guy got the watered down version of "Jesus Spray", as he walked away after he was sprayed with it.

But to those who got the full strength "Jesus Spray", only to in turn, void their faith and walked away, proclaimed...

He knew they would be weak, so He gave them the whole can, but that wasn't enough, I suppose. But He only has so much "Jesus Spray" to dole out, so if you waste it don't come back and say...

For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.[Hebrews 6:4-6]

 

[SovereignGrace]

Hurry, hurry, hurry, step right up ladies and gentlemen!

Allow me to introduce you to the newest handy dandy aerosol spray going today. It's called "Jesus Spray"!

It's guaranteed to ward off Satan and his minions. In fact, if used properly, it will fight your enemies and ward them off for you.

In recent clinical studies, this handy dandy spray was shown to protect sheep only. It was tested on goats and they were not able to handle it.

But you must act fast, as supplies are limited.

So don't delay in getting this newest spray today. You'll rue the day you don't get it.

 

[SovereignGrace]

To those who are doing their very best to hold onto the Christ with all their might. Are you finding it harder with each passing day to hold onto Him? Is your grip loosening?

Do you feel alone and that no one is there to help you work your way to the glory land?

Well cheer up my friends. There is hope for you yet!

There is a man named Jesus, and He will take your load and carry it for you, and will be within and with you.

Everything He did, He did it for His sheep, and He did it to the fullest. These sheep will never have a need of anything, as He is their provider. He loved them to the end. Plus, He knows His sheep by name, and they follow His voice. When they hear His voice, they run to Him.

So take courage and be strong my friends! We have One who fights our battles for us. Get behind the shield that is Him.

And come and rest with us, as we rest in Him.

 

[Laish]

I sure hope ye blokes get your salvation worked out before the Christ's second advent.

#HurryHurryHurry!!!

Humm what's up with this working out your salvation stuff ? I see these worker guys working so hard but after a hour of close observation they haven't gotten anywhere. Hold on ! Are they building on sand ?
Blessings
Bill

 

[loveme1]

Philippians 2

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 16Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. 17Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all. 18For the same cause also do ye joy, and rejoice with me.


Did I just read this right? Work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling...

Obey in my absence as you have in my presence...

Hold forth the word of life...

For it is GOD which works in you...

Is PeterJens an heretic?

Or is he not sharing similar things as written above?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Philippians 2

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 16Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. 17Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all. 18For the same cause also do ye joy, and rejoice with me.


Did I just read this right? Work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling...

Obey in my absence as you have in my presence...

Hold forth the word of life...

For it is GOD which works in you...

Is PeterJens an heretic?

Or is he not sharing similar things as written above?

If we work out our salvation in a literal sense, then its no longer grace that gets us to the glory land, but merit.

Here's how we work it out....For it is God which worketh in you...any good works we do, we do them through Him.

 

[loveme1]

If we work out our salvation in a literal sense, then its no longer grace that gets us to the glory land, but merit.

Here's how we work it out....For it is God which worketh in you...any good works we do, we do them through Him.

Not my words.. I merely believe them so in essence you speak not to me.

As yet who is not proclaiming GOD to be working through them?

By Grace through Faith we are saved unto good works.. who disputes this?

The works being spoken of are those not done in Faith of Our Lord.

Whether it be the unbelieving Jew who keeps the law of Moses believing it justifies Him with GOD.. or the unbelieving man doing deeds for others... not gonna be lead to the gate by the Good Shepherd because they have no Faith in Him which would forgive and reconcile them being born again of the Holy Spirit.

Those who do believe are sharing that the Lord teaches us our works of Faith through His Testament.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Guys and gals, better watch your heads. There is some serious working going on in here. Put your hardhats on.

No matter what they're told, they think its they that work their way to heaven. I see a bunch of this in them...

God confounded their language so that they had to disperse. Hopefully, God will confound their works language and then they will flee to Him for His rest. But until then, their language is confounding to those of us who have quit trying to work our way into the paradise of God...

Please stop working, and start trusting. You'll be better for it in the end.

Someday, you will thank me.

Well, maybe not...

 

[SovereignGrace]

Back in 1983, God used two women, Marsha Wash and Izora Armstead, who teamed up to call themselves "The Weather Girls", to be prophetesses. They had a hit song called "Its Raining Men". In this song, it was men coming from the sky like raindrops to all the lonely women. But God used this song for a deeper meaning.

In actuality, these men weren't falling from the clouds to be mates for women, but rather, these were men who, although they tried their hardest, fell from their faith.

They tried and tried and tried AND tried, but they just couldn't hold on, but eventually they dropped like flies...

Please quit trying to work your way to heaven and start trusting in God and not your own strength.

 

[Cee]

You read it right.

Salvation produces works.

And works doesn't produce salvation.

Philippians 2

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 16Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. 17Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all. 18For the same cause also do ye joy, and rejoice with me.


Did I just read this right? Work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling...

Obey in my absence as you have in my presence...

Hold forth the word of life...

For it is GOD which works in you...

Is PeterJens an heretic?

Or is he not sharing similar things as written above?

 

[SovereignGrace]

On here, we have to be careful. We just don't know when someone is going to falter in their faith and fall from it.

So put on your hard hats and always look up, ladies and gents.

We don't know who the next self-starter is that will fall from their faith.

Just be ready to dodge them when they start falling.

 

[loveme1]

So much mocking and jest.. yet Scripture states those things that we are to believe.

 

[Cee]

Here's a Scripture to believe.

Let's let Jesus answer this question.

I'll even pull out the red letters on this one.

John 6:28Therefore they said to Him, “What must we do, that we may be doing the works of God?”

John 6:29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you should believe in Him whom He has sent.”

 

[PeterJens]

When you use the word disgust, you know you have gone wrong.
Jesus talks simply how love works, and it is about being a shinning light.

Nonsensical and accusatory.

If you had this shinning light, I would be blinded, but you side step being made
clean, because you do not believe you are. That's where the discussion stops.
Unless you are clean you are lost in your sins.

Yes, of course, classic PeterJens telling others they are lost.

My friends we are called to be shinning lights

"You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."
Matt 5:14-16

But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
Matt 6:23

Being made clean is everything in Christ, literally.

Paul calls us to this

In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
Eph 2:21

Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing.
1 Tim 2:8

Peter calls us to be Holy

As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
1 Peter 1:14-15

If you reject this you reject everything.

You p4t say I am being accusatory. You approach has been to call me everything you
could implying I know nothing, even here. But I have shown you are speaking against Gods
word so I am not your judge, Gods word is.

All your false accusations against me are simply to avoid the points I am making.
We stand clean before the Lord, washed by the blood of the Lamb.

These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:14

 

[PeterJens]

Sovereign, you are full of so much anger.

Your argument is, stay a sinner and trust Christ when you meet Him will sort it out.

This is the way of the world. You are ok, nothing to do here, just get your sticky
label, trusting in Christ, and it is all safe.

Without the heart transformation demonstrated in ones life, all is lost.
You can only get away with your gospel in a fairly moral society.

People can con themselves there is nothing really to sort out.

What is staggering is the anger, the vehemence, the aggression.
None of these things are from the Spirit of God.

It demonstrates the heresy hidden within all the religious words and how threatened
it is really feeling.

 

[PeterJens]

The problem of being caught in sin

Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
Galatians 6:1

Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.
1 Tim 5:19-20

Now in the world of rest and lawlessness, none of this is taken as true as there
is nothing to reprove or correct as there is no moral or behavioural standard.

This is the heresy that is being presented, you are so secure in Christ unless you
just accept and do whatever you like, you are an unsaved sinner who does not
trust Christ enough.

Another way of putting this, stay a sinner, you have no choice anyway, so believe
the words, God will make good, only He can.