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The verb tense of John 3:16 as applied to---->is having everlasting life....speaks volumes.......
Everlasting life is life that goes on forever.
So you only know it is not everlasting when it ends.
Notice until the like are opened, all looks the same.
Afterwards there is no debate.
echó: to have, hold
Original Word: ἔχωPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: echó
Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-o)
Short Definition: I have, hold, possess
Definition: I have, hold, possess
The reason for saying these things was to demonstrate your heresy.For thousands of years believers knew our response perfected Jesus's sacrifice which you deny.
Jesus washed us clean and made us whole, except you live in unbelief, needing Jesus to replace
you. We rather are new creations perfected in the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for pointing this out and thereby showing what real faith and response is. I could not
have asked for a better intro.
For thousands of years believers knew our response perfected Jesus's sacrifice which you deny.
Jesus washed us clean and made us whole, except you live in unbelief, needing Jesus to replace
you. We rather are new creations perfected in the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for pointing this out and thereby showing what real faith and response is. I could not
have asked for a better intro.
Well....for some time I have left the cake taker statement out....and the fact that you say the bolded above to try and defend the following statements made by you places you back in the cake taking grouping....
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
You can say ALL of this and yet it does not change the fact that you said...a. The cross of Christ is not enough
b. The imputed righteousness of Christ is a neat little trick that does not work
BOTH statements negate anything you have said or say.....a saved child of God would not say such things.....why cannot you understand that simple truth.....!
I like this discussion, every time a new area of Gods moving comes to light.
I do not think you know what reigning with Christ is and would be totally lost.
How is it with the Holy Spirit you find love so hard, unless you are missing the
key ingredient. Good night my friends, there is always hope until the final
curtain drops.
I do not think you know what reigning with Christ is and would be totally lost.
How is it with the Holy Spirit you find love so hard, unless you are missing the
key ingredient. Good night my friends, there is always hope until the final
curtain drops.
For thousands of years believers knew our response perfected Jesus's sacrifice which you deny.
Jesus washed us clean and made us whole, except you live in unbelief, needing Jesus to replace
you. We rather are new creations perfected in the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for pointing this out and thereby showing what real faith and response is. I could not
have asked for a better intro.
You try so very hard to sound eloquent, relevant, poetic, of intelligentsia, biblical. However, the result of your endeavor to impress?
#humongousfail.
Not to mention your incessant practice of naming others as lost, and your lame and callow following me thread to thread to slander me, and in doing so saying to others "God bless you all."
LOL!!!!!!!! Goodness sake hang it up and finally repent and believe the Gospel.
Yet another attempt at eloquence yet the above remains absolutely senseless? Yes, absolutely yes.
And instead of accomplishing your objective you've displayed only your own heresy.
#humongousfail
Amen...not to mention that if one goes back to the original statements....it becomes all to obvious that
a. He believes it
b. His current stretch and accusation is a wee bit short of honest.......
Any person who preaches the cross is not enough, and that the imputed righteousness of Christ is a neat little trick that doesn't work ought to be banned immediately from any Christian site.
If any person stepped into our church and preached this heresy they'd be cast out.
If any person stepped into our church and preached this heresy they'd be cast out.
I heard that...they would be stopped mid sentence, removed from the pulpit and escorted to the door......and told get right or don't come back......I cannot imagine a "so called" believer saying that.....still shake my head at that one...the other one as well....
I literally weep and am livid at this assault, not only by him and others like him, but by MANY in Christendom attacking the Gospel and leading others astray!!!
Enough is enough!
Preach it Precher!
"Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction." 2Tim4:2
Matthew 4:17, “From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”
John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
2 Corinthians 1:22, “who also sealed us, and gave the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge."
Ephesians 3:17, “that the Messiah might dwell in your hearts through belief – having become rooted and grounded in love”
Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
2 Timothy 2:19, “However, the solid foundation of Yah stands firm, having this *seal, יהוה knows those who are His, and let everyone who names the Name of Messiah turn away from unrighteousness.”
The word *sealis word #G4973 – sphragis: a seal, a signet, Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: sphragis, Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece'), Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof, Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.
The word “unrighteousness” is word #G93 ἀδικία – adikia, ad-ee-kee'-ah, (legal) injustice (properly the quality, by implication the act); moral wrongfulness (of charter, life or act):—iniquity, unjust, unrighteousness, wrong.
John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
2 Corinthians 1:22, “who also sealed us, and gave the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge."
Ephesians 3:17, “that the Messiah might dwell in your hearts through belief – having become rooted and grounded in love”
Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
2 Timothy 2:19, “However, the solid foundation of Yah stands firm, having this *seal, יהוה knows those who are His, and let everyone who names the Name of Messiah turn away from unrighteousness.”
The word *sealis word #G4973 – sphragis: a seal, a signet, Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: sphragis, Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece'), Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof, Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.
The word “unrighteousness” is word #G93 ἀδικία – adikia, ad-ee-kee'-ah, (legal) injustice (properly the quality, by implication the act); moral wrongfulness (of charter, life or act):—iniquity, unjust, unrighteousness, wrong.
This is the point. You do not believe the gift of Christ. Your anger, your desire to rebuke.
Would you say you are healed while still being deseased?
And though you claim Jesus does everything for you, your life does not show it.
And when Christ calls you to take up your mat and walk, you respond I cannot you
have to walk for me.
Why are we righteous? Because we are forgiven, washed and made new.
It is our relationship with God is the source of our life, but our behaviour reflects
this life.
And the joke is, I would not be part of fellowships you guys follow, so simply the
idea of expelling someone is just bravado. It reminds me of Muslims who hate
God being a man. You hate Jesus giving authority and a role to believers, because
that demeans Christ and exalts man. Exactly what the Pharisees hated. How dare
you change our view of Christ.
It is always a temptation to dump responsibility from ourselves and say God carries
the can. This is the nature of sin, it is not our fault God made us like this.
Listen to Jesus. You will be one with another, like I am with the Father.
I have told you everything I have learnt. Emotions, love, fear and trust.
Our failures we extend to far, when Jesus calls us to exercise faith and walk.
In truth people will die in their unbelief if they do not build their house upon
the rock. God is the guide and healer, we have to do the work.
Blessing comes after action, not before.