So what is condemning those that don't have Jesus as their advocate?
Why do we need Jesus today? Why do we need to be in Jesus to not have condemnation?
Not By Works
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Why do we need Jesus today? Why do we need to be in Jesus to not have condemnation?
This is interesting!
I wish I wasn't nodding off because this is the best conversation I've had all day, here with you guys.
What is the anger tempting me to?
#1 is the only thing that has ever worked for me or helped me.
Last week, I found myself angry at mom and I realized I was doing #2. I immediately thought to pray when suddenly the thought came to me: He won't answer you while you are being so ugly in your heart. And I just said, yes, I'm bad but He is good and He is IN me and He knows all about my heart.
The temptation was to try to get me to NOT pray! Well, it backfired on him didn't it?? Because he's never going to get me with that one ever again.
The law is holy and just and good, but sin is the transgression of the law. So the law reveals sin and Satan points to us, as breakers of the law, condemning us before God. But by faith in Jesus we are free from that condemnation. Jesus stands as our advocate, perfectly sinless. The law is still valid today. but Grace is greater.
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willybob
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Throughout the bible it teaches repentance for remission. Paul said it’s not of works, (not of religious works). All through the OT we see God displeased with their religious works because they were still abiding in iniquity, whereas God said I will have obedience over sacrifice. Repentance is a work, not a religious work, but a work of the soul coming clean with God, whereas the conscience is void of offence. This is the clearing that takes place in 2 Cor. 7-10,11. There is no forgiveness of past sins without this work. It’s absolutely impossible to circumvent this season of godly sorrow. (the seed that fell upon good soil) .. Solomon said; the preparation of the heart belongs to man, and the answer of the tongue is God’s…Its ALWAYS repentance for remission, not remission and then repentance later on……without the crucial work of repentance and crucifying the lusts of the flesh, none shall obtain mercy and enter into covenant, because the blood cannot be applied to cleans the soul…I know there are many that will not like to hear this truth because it tears down the “earning salvation” strawman. They somehow don't know the difference between earning salvation with religious works, and doing what we are commanded to do in Acts 17-30. Notwithstanding, it’s still the truth…..be blessed
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Yes. And how often do we see that happen even in just this forum?
We instead see a whole bunch of prima donnas demanding apologies.
So just knowing that we are supposed to do this does not make us do it.
We don't buy God's favour with our good works, but what does happen is they're released into our life as we become obedient to God.
The law condemns them, via the Holy Spirit of God.
Believers are covered by the righteous blood of Jesus
Yes
Should we continue in sin that grace abounds, do we continually break the law because Jesus paid the price?
And if the law is still valid than shouldn't we aim to obey it, not to be saved but because we love Jesus. ???
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
I think you're missing my point, which began in a conversation with loveme1.
Just knowing what I am supposed to do and how I am supposed to be does not make me be that way. And in fact, if I try hard to be and do that way, I only fool myself by thinking my outward behavior is holiness.
So if they can get so cranked up into anger with strangers they aren't even face to face with, do you think they are completely different outside of here?
I have been practicing that very thing much of today and it has really helped me, not to fool myself in any outward behavior, but in the condition of my heart. I don't think I missed your point at all, but you keep thinking I have. I don't know what else to say because I do not want to argue with you.I think you're missing my point, which began in a conversation with loveme1.
Just knowing what I am supposed to do and how I am supposed to be does not make me be that way. And in fact, if I try hard to be and do that way, I only fool myself by thinking my outward behavior is holiness.
People often remark on how people would never talk to others in our day to day the way we talk to each other here, so, in a word, yes
Though it may manifest in different ways, for instance, the way you (not you, just speaking generally) drive. People often remark on how people would never talk to others in our day to day the way we talk to each other here, so, in a word, yes
Yes, I agree that outwardly they would try to keep it more hidden in the day to day, face to face. But if there can be such anger here, it doesn't just disappear there. It's just hidden.
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willybob
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more on Judas and how he fell from the faith..
Jesus even said that Judas’ name were written in the Lambs book of life, Luke 10:20, that he was one of His sheep, Matt. 10:1-4, 16, that he had received His truth, Matt 10:1-4, 8, that their Father was God Matt 10:1-4, 20, and that he had a throne in Heaven upon which he would judge Israel Matt. 19:28; Luke 22:30. Yet, at one point, Jesus called Judas a “devil” John. 6:70 and even called Peter “Satan” Matt. 16:23.
Judas decided to backslide from his faithful devotion to Jesus. He began to take money from the group purse John. 12:6, and he even came to betray the Lord, Mark. 14:10. Jesus knew from the very beginning of time of Judas’ plot that he would betray Him, John. 6:64. But the Bible says that Judas was, at one point, a trusted friend of Jesus, John 13:18. This explains why Judas kept the money, John 13:29. He became a son of perdition, the like the parable of the wondering spirit.
If Jesus trusted Judas as a friend, Judas must have been trust worthy at that time. Betrayal implies, presupposes, a former loyalty, friendship, or trust therein. If Judas was not formerly a loyal and trusted friend of Jesus, he could not have betrayed Him. If Judas was not a loyal and trusted friend, who was a genuine follower of Him, He would not have chosen Him to preach the gospel, heal the sick, or cast out devils in the first place. Judas became a devil, John. 6:70, but he was not always a devil, for Jesus asked, “How can Satan cast out Satan?” Mark. 3:23.
Jesus even said that Judas’ name were written in the Lambs book of life, Luke 10:20, that he was one of His sheep, Matt. 10:1-4, 16, that he had received His truth, Matt 10:1-4, 8, that their Father was God Matt 10:1-4, 20, and that he had a throne in Heaven upon which he would judge Israel Matt. 19:28; Luke 22:30. Yet, at one point, Jesus called Judas a “devil” John. 6:70 and even called Peter “Satan” Matt. 16:23.
Judas decided to backslide from his faithful devotion to Jesus. He began to take money from the group purse John. 12:6, and he even came to betray the Lord, Mark. 14:10. Jesus knew from the very beginning of time of Judas’ plot that he would betray Him, John. 6:64. But the Bible says that Judas was, at one point, a trusted friend of Jesus, John 13:18. This explains why Judas kept the money, John 13:29. He became a son of perdition, the like the parable of the wondering spirit.
If Jesus trusted Judas as a friend, Judas must have been trust worthy at that time. Betrayal implies, presupposes, a former loyalty, friendship, or trust therein. If Judas was not formerly a loyal and trusted friend of Jesus, he could not have betrayed Him. If Judas was not a loyal and trusted friend, who was a genuine follower of Him, He would not have chosen Him to preach the gospel, heal the sick, or cast out devils in the first place. Judas became a devil, John. 6:70, but he was not always a devil, for Jesus asked, “How can Satan cast out Satan?” Mark. 3:23.
I did not say you were arguing with me.I wasn't arguing...
I was conversing with you as far as I knew!
I said I did not want to argue with you.
Do you see any difference between the two statements?
I posted Scripture telling us what to do when we are wronged.
If we practice that, it does work. The more willing we become
to do that, the more we are relying on Him to deal with the wrong
doer. Then we are not caught in the unresolved issue or resentment.
We have all done wrong and none of us are innocent in this regard.
Ah, yes...I do see a difference between those two statements....you were practicing still?
Maybe I am a bigger hypocrite than you. Because I cannot bless those who curse me and pray for them just because I know I should. In fact, I find myself saying I bless them while inside what I'm really doing is murdering them and thinking of how to intelligently cut them with my teeth, but in such a way that I can ensure that no one has caught me cheating. Which is of course, completely laughable because God sees my inside.