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BillG said:
I just had to chuckle at your first sentence.

Believe it or not the way you have typed is exactly how people up north (as we say) would say it.

They would miss the O of the T as well, maybe your iPad is from 'up north'
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i am. It sure why but the O seems to have a mind of its on on here..lol! But hey, maybe your right? Lol
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Here we go, people adding words to my posts again,



when I read stuff like this, all I can think of is one must be perfect, that no one can ever get to heaven, that unl sis we are 100% perfect in all areas of our lives we are licentiousness us and could. It be saved,

i know meggido does not believe this, but how can you read this and not think this is what he is saying? It is called law. These are the things you must do, if not, you lack faith in any area of your life, and are doomed for an eternity in hell

1. When we are saved we are babes in Christ, god does not cope to us to be perfect, he knows we have to grow, he knows he has to work on our faith to grow us, he knows he will have to chasten us when we get out of line,
2. Even when we are spiritual adolescents, he knows we still are in a point of our growth where we are trying to find our way, and will. It be perfect, and he knows he has to treat s different in this state, because things which worked as babes do not work here. he knows he has to continue to grow our faith
3. Even as spiritual adults and elders, amazingly, he still tells us to go out not alone, but in pairs, because he still knows we can let self get in the way, and need people,to keep us from drifting into a false concept.

non of these things are licentious, they are reality, if God expected us to be perfect, or have faith I. Every area Immediately after salvation, God must be disappointed. I am surprised he has allowed us to go on as long as he did, there is no hope for any of us,

If people have porn issues, god tells us how to chasten or discipline them, and what to do if they do not listen

what he tells us not to do is judge the, let us who have no sin cast the first stone, we are not innocent, we have our own sin issues which must be dealt with,


i finish with this,

if people would just ask questions, and not just assume, these things, again, it would be so much peaceful and we would not have these issues.
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Did you see my last paragraph below?
maybe you did not mean any of this, but this is exactly what you seemed to be possibly saying or implying......If you are not then my apologies in advance..
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Please show me where I said anyone was doomed to hell or said anything you are making up...please do...show us all...were I said these things especially the doomed to hell part....I would like you to show us bro...show us all were I said you had to perfect to make Heaven....do so...I dare you....show how I said this....
 
Meggido said:
if you you think I posted this solely as defense to you, you need think again..
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No, I didn't think you were defending me. I think you were just responding to what you truly saw and perceived, as we all do.:)
Honestly, I just learned something valuable.
I am going to try hard to read the pages I missed when I return before I respond. It's sometimes difficult though when the thread goes 75 mph in places. :D And then there's the problem of me always wanting to give my opinion when sometimes I should hold it until I read everything that's gone on while I was gone.
 
Meggido said:
Just a suggestion, but maybe you should proof read before you post....you say a lot of things that means certain things to people, then get upset when they are NOT interpreted as you intended.....


In this post you say Christ helping you in all your needs is sanctification or christian growth......This is not true..
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1. I am not posting what I think other people mean, am posting my personal observations,
2. He reason I get frustrated is because I post what. Believe, then people still do not understand, or like you evidently here think I am talking about you, when I am or was not
3. you may think it is not sanctification, but I disagree, it is, if you would like t discuss why I think it is let me know.


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.perosnal non-saving faith helps Christ help your needs....you used the term sanctification very wrong here....progressive sanctification is the process to become holy....I am not alone in seeing this with you....and in love bro...you need to grow....

I think you play this infantile game to silence people and if you do...shame on you....if you do not then take a look at some fo your replies...in love and honesty bro...you come across as a kid at times....[/QUOTE]

Ok Peter (pun intended, he always did that to me) instead of trying to guess what I am doing, or assuming what I am doing, why do you not actually try to see what I am doing,

sanctification has two aspects, there is positional sanctification, where we are set apart from the world at Thge moment of faith

and there is ongoing sanctification, which I call spiritual growth, non saving faith as you put it fits as part of this growing sanctification it is part of a God making us more like him as we learn to grow in faith and trust in him..

may i I ask if you ever can talk to someone ina non derogate etc way? Or is it just to me? Do I need to place you back on ignore?
 
Meggido said:
Did you see my last paragraph below?


Please show me where I said anyone was doomed to hell or said anything you are making up...please do...show us all...were I said these things especially the doomed to hell part....I would like you to show us bro...show us all were I said you had to perfect to make Heaven....do so...I dare you....show how I said this....
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He is saying that's how he perceives what you said, just as you were also telling him what you perceive and hear by what he says. He isn't saying that's what you said. He's saying the same thing as you which is basically: this is what I hear when you say such and such.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Funny, since. Was king and did not say you were the one who did that, but since you have to act this way, you should face palm yourself
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had you read my whole initial post....you would have seen the below and this would be a non-issue...

maybe you did not mean any of this, but this is exactly what you seemed to be possibly saying or implying......If you are not then my apologies in advance..
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Stunnedbygrace said:
He is saying that's how he perceives what you said, just as you were also telling him what you perceive and hear by what he says. He isn't saying that's what you said. He's saying the same thing as you which is basically: this is what I hear when you say such and such.
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Do you see whats going on...do you? do you really see it?
 
Are you telling people it is OK to not trust God in every area of their life and God is not only OK with this but expects it?

And you get this free pass of not trusting him in all our areas of our, because you are saved and have 100% trust in salvation?
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Here is where you started. You are attributing a thought of your own mind to his post, thus putting him on the defensive.

A tactic that shouldn't be except maybe in interrogations. Is that what you want to do?

He said you add to his post and you did.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
By by the way stunned, responses like this, these are things you should be getting after! A post which totally had nothing to do with what I said, but a post which is based he his false understanding of my belief. Based on h S preconceived notions of wherever he gets his information,
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Well...He asked: Are you telling me such and such? That is like saying: this is what I am perceiving you to be saying or meaning.
He didn't say: you are saying such and such. He said: are you telling me such and such?

Maybe it would help us all to say: when you say such and such, I hear you as saying thus and thus.
 
Meggido said:
Do you see whats going on...do you? do you really see it?
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i think everyone can see it, but of course you think it is me,

you said in your post I was giving people a free pass,

that mistrust was was a sign of unbelief and bitterness

and that I was turning the grace of God to liscentiousness,

just in case you try to deny it,
Meggido said:
Are you telling people it is OK to not trust God in every area of their life and God is not only OK with this but expects it?

And you get this free pass of not trusting him in all our areas of our, because you are saved and have 100% trust in salvation?

Hebrews 11.6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.


Mistrust is the byproduct of unforgiveness and bitterness and we are admonished not to engage in mistrust but pursue peace with all men...

Hebrews 12.14-17

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. [SUP]15 [/SUP]See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled; [SUP]16 [/SUP]that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.



Someone could read what you posted and think this...that porn addiction I have...well I do not have to trust God to take care of it because I trust that he saved me and that is all that matters...so I can continue in this porn addiction and not worry, because I do not have to trust God in all areas of my life and since I have eternal life it does not matter...

And that EG, is turning the grace of God into lasciviousness.....maybe you did not mean any of this, but this is exactly what you seemed to be possibly saying or implying......If you are not then my apologies in advance...
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all signs of people who scripture says are doomed to hell,

then you you get mad when I said this is what it looked like, and got mad and demanded I show proof,

well I'll I just did,

and you will still blame blame it on me,

yes people see what is foing on, you have a vendetta or whatever against me, so you are on a mission to discredit me, it is clear.


 
eternally-gratefull said:
i think everyone can see it, but of course you think it is me,

you said in your post I was giving people a free pass,

that mistrust was was a sign of unbelief and bitterness

and that I was turning the grace of God to liscentiousness,

just in case you try to deny it,



all signs of people who scripture says are doomed to hell,

then you you get mad when I said this is what it looked like, and got mad and demanded I show proof,

well I'll I just did,

and you will still blame blame it on me,

yes people see what is foing on, you have a vendetta or whatever against me, so you are on a mission to discredit me, it is clear.


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it seems as if this has become " throw some verses out of Hebrews out there and that is supposed to prove a point " thread. last time I checked, Hebrews was not the only N.T. letter in the Cannon........
 
gb9 said:
it seems as if this has become " throw some verses out of Hebrews out there and that is supposed to prove a point " thread. last time I checked, Hebrews was not the only N.T. letter in the Cannon........
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I am not sure what it is, I had him on ignore for awhile, does he just answer that way with me, or with everyone?
 
It is an odd thing to me that I don't hear what someone is saying.
I instead hear what I perceive them to be saying...
And we all hear in this same way.
It HAS to tie back to the Tower...
 
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