Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

The pill was put in the lasagna and was sealed with saran wrap.
When he compares or uses an example, I go with that example.
He's got some odd examples sometimes!

I wasn't saying it WAS a pill, was just using his example to discuss.

I now it was his example sis.

I was just proving his example was faulty. Because it does not resemble reality at all.

 

[PHart]

The pill was put in the lasagna and was sealed with saran wrap.

You never know what you'll find in the Lasagna at my house, lol!

But at least in my house we can always have leftover Lasagna, because I'm not OSAS, so the sealed dish of leftovers can be unsealed. But you can't have leftovers at a OSAS house because in their house 'sealed' automatically means by definition 'unable to be sealed'.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Originally Posted by PHart
Technically, by definition, a heretic is simply someone who goes against accepted orthodoxy. Often the commonly accepted orthodox doctrine is just flat wrong. For example, Luther challenged the false but commonly accepted doctrines of his day, and so, by pure definition, he was a heretic.

But the way we throw the word around we mean it in it's negative connotation. It means someone who has departed from the truth and wandered off into error.

Maybe if we threw out all these orthodoxy opinions of man, we might come to unity? Like just studying the bible?

interesting conclusion considering the extra biblical observations being made and given as evidence of doing the opposite

you can't make this stuff up

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good, then you agree that it is required that the believer continue to believe to the very end. And, if I understand you correctly, and I'm sure I do, it's because if they don't continue to believe they never really "experienced gods true love and forgiveness" to begin with.

which means they were never saved, No salvation to lose. Which means eternal security, OSAS, Eternal life (whatever term you wish to use) are confirmed as factual. Because our security is in God, Not in ourself

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think we can all agree that the kind of belief that saves is the kind of belief that continues to the very end and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.

That's called FAITH is sit not? (as apposed to mere belief or mental agreement)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You never know what you'll find in the Lasagna at my house, lol!

But at least in my house we can always have leftover Lasagna, because I'm not OSAS, so the sealed dish of leftovers can be unsealed. But you can't have leftovers at a OSAS house because in their house 'sealed' automatically means by definition 'unable to be sealed'.

And Noah could have opened the door that God sealed, and jumped out of the ark in unbelief too correct?

 

[PHart]

I think we can all agree that the kind of belief that saves is the kind of belief that continues to the very end and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.

I'm okay with this. It's certainly not a point that should divide Christians. Because as I say, we and we alone have to face the question of whether or not we can walk away from Christ when our own 'Job' testing comes along. I don't want any brother or sister to fail in that time, but I think it wise to warn believers about the possibility of falling away during that time just as the Bible does.

 

[PrynceNY]

which means they were never saved, No salvation to lose. Which means eternal security, OSAS, Eternal life (whatever term you wish to use) are confirmed as factual. Because our security is in God, Not in ourself

Question, If you personally happened to get the mark of the beast do you think your still saved

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

If you will recall EG, you and I had this discussion off and on for about...two years?
I would keep saying: you make faith to be a work by saying if I have to KEEP believing, then it is earned.
And I would keep saying: you were saved through faith, so how can we then drop the faith part?

We went over and over it and I think I appeared very odd to you because you saw my love and I saw yours but we frustratingly could not hear each other on the matter.

You did not change in your perception, but I changed in mine when I realized that it was sort of a moot point to me. It didn't matter to me, as long as you continued in faith, whether or not you believed it was possible to ever have your heart become evil and unbelieving. Because you WERE trusting Him to see that it didn't happen. And so was I.

In fact, my faith grew stronger and I saw that He was not going to let me be lost. He had never done a single thing that I should fear He would let my heart become evil and unbelieving. He had only ever GROWN my faith, not decreased it, so I looked back on all of the struggles of believing FULLY and without wavering that He had brought me through, perfecting my trust, never decreasing it, and I said, I don't even HAVE this fear that I could become evil and unbelieving because He hasn't let it happen. So I trusted Him MORE in the end, not less.

And so the argument became moot for me. If a man is trusting, that's all that is necessary. I don't need to try to convince him that he might become evil and unbelieving. If God brought me through my struggles to trust more firmly, He will bring other men through them. Yes, I had a mighty struggle to stop believing that not saving up money on earth would be my downfall and I'd be eating catfood in my old age, but the fact is that He DID bring me through it, even though it took years before I was unwavering in it. So He will do the same for any who trust Him. He will bring them through. He will keep pointing out the areas where they are being a hypocrite and are not fully trusting Him. He will bring them to the struggle just as He did me.

 

[gb9]

And Noah could have opened the door that God sealed, and jumped out of the ark in unbelief too correct?

also, Noah did not get out off the ark until God told him to. j.m.o. , after being shut up with a bunch of animals ( and his family ), for 200 or so days, Noah was ready to get out of there, but he waited until God told him to. like any believer would.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

And Noah could have opened the door that God sealed, and jumped out of the ark in unbelief too correct?

on another note
he got drunk on the ark


i wonder why....

and how would he know WHAT his younger son did, also whatever was done how would he know THAT it was his younger son


did he figure if he was covered it was obviously his older sons that would do it?

and why would they do it?
well of the youngest decided to look


or was it something more sinister


i dunno...

many things about noah make me wonder

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You never know what you'll find in the Lasagna at my house, lol!

But at least in my house we can always have leftover Lasagna, because I'm not OSAS, so the sealed dish of leftovers can be unsealed. But you can't have leftovers at a OSAS house because in their house 'sealed' automatically means by definition 'unable to be sealed'.

Ah, you're a funny man, PHart.

 

[mailmandan]

That's called FAITH is sit not? (as apposed to mere belief or mental agreement)

People can merely believe with their head and not with their heart. In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Question, If you personally happened to get the mark of the beast do you think your still saved

what makes you think I would take it?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

on another note
he got drunk on the ark


i wonder why....

and how would he know WHAT his younger son did, also whatever was done how would he know THAT it was his younger son


did he figure if he was covered it was obviously his older sons that would do it?

and why would they do it?
well of the youngest decided to look


or was it something more sinister


i dunno...

many things about noah make me wonder

He didn't get drunk ON the ark. It was later.

I have always thought that the real problem in the story was that the one son pointed his nakedness out instead of seeking to cover it...so the other sons seemed to be not wanting to embarrass him and the other son seemed to want to call everyone to look and laugh...

 

[PrynceNY]

what makes you think I would take it?

It's a question, you have freewill. I asked another OSAS person and they couldn't answer it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

on another note
he got drunk on the ark


i wonder why....

and how would he know WHAT his younger son did, also whatever was done how would he know THAT it was his younger son


did he figure if he was covered it was obviously his older sons that would do it?

and why would they do it?
well of the youngest decided to look


or was it something more sinister


i dunno...

many things about noah make me wonder

i think we can know about Noah's faith, he spent over a century building an ark when the whole world was against him, how many of us could do that?

as for the sins, it just proves he is like David (murder and adultry) Abraham (Adultry, laughing at God due to lack of faith, and lieing about his wife again due to lack of faith) Moses (murder, direct disobedience of God) and me and you

we are saved by our faith, but we still carry he flesh, and because of that, non of us are perfect, but God loves us anyway. I have always wondered why God shared his people's dirt (sin) in the word, I finally figure it out, t she S not even they were perfect, yet god loved them unconditionally, like he loves us when we do stupid stuff, it is f R our benefit that we know they were not perfect.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I now it was his example sis.

I was just proving his example was faulty. Because it does not resemble reality at all.

Well neither does me being called or compared to a sheep!
In reality, I look nothing like a sheep because I'm not covered in wooly fur!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's a question, you have freewill. I asked another OSAS person and they couldn't answer it.

Yes i I have free will and I have true faith in God, so I would never take it, knowing it would be worshiping a man who is a fraud and son is of Satan, so a mute question.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well neither does me being called or compared to a sheep!
In reality, I look nothing like a sheep because I'm not covered in wooly fur!

jesUs used the example of a sheep thus we can use it, and we can not even do pair these two!

jesus never used an example of a pill, and as I showed, the pill example does not fit what the word of God says,

So it would be wise to see it for what it is,