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You don't know your OT, making a statement like that. The law covenant was full of grace.
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No, not true, cause I teach grace.
Aannd no, Dcon doesn't teach grace that way, either.
He teaches the current grace covers it all, right? Even future sins.....
Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus.
This is in reference to 1 John 1:7 which says that we are continually cleanses by the blood of Jesus - why? Because we walk in the light. Jesus is the light and we are in Him in our new creation which has been created in righteousness and holiness.
I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.
She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat.
She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her which is what humanistic belief systems believe. They think Christians are a "new evolution" and thus they need to create and maintain their own self-righteousness.
It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".
She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth and lived a holier life.
Here is a direct QUOTE:
" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?
"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!
By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."
UNQUOTE:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=zO_...%22%3F&f=false
She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and thus always in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her.
She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.
Believing the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ finished work on the cross and resurrection will change us as we grow in His grace. We grow in His grace by the "hearing of Christ Himself".
Here is a book for those interested in her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
This is in reference to 1 John 1:7 which says that we are continually cleanses by the blood of Jesus - why? Because we walk in the light. Jesus is the light and we are in Him in our new creation which has been created in righteousness and holiness.
I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.
She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat.
She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her which is what humanistic belief systems believe. They think Christians are a "new evolution" and thus they need to create and maintain their own self-righteousness.
It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".
She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth and lived a holier life.
Here is a direct QUOTE:
" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?
"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!
By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."
UNQUOTE:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=zO_...%22%3F&f=false
She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and thus always in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her.
She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.
Believing the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ finished work on the cross and resurrection will change us as we grow in His grace. We grow in His grace by the "hearing of Christ Himself".
Here is a book for those interested in her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
In fact...They wanted a ruler over them like the unbelievers had (the law of man)
Do you think that because they didn't understand Gods' grace, they thought a human ruler would be easier..???
And...when WE don't fully understand His grace, we think to be under a ruler (law) would be easier...
Uh...that won't make sense to more than one or two people, I'm sure. I have to think on it and word it succinctly. Sorry, still on my 1st cup/coffee.
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eternally-gratefull
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It stinks when folks make open-ended, can-mean-anything statements.
You believe once saved, always saved, yet this sentence says that's not so.
You just said they could lose their salvation, but I know that you will spin right around & deny the whole thing.
It seems that those of you that argue do this on a regular basis, drawing fire & then denial, getting others into your web of deceit.
Open-ended statements are totally deceitful, for you can make the mean anything you want.
Now, if I'm wrong, & you're not that type of man, stop such writing immediately.
That goes for your friends too.
]If you really think precepts and the whole order of the Lord is thrown out of the window
because you have an emotional response to God, then you have lost the plot.
You should never minimize the power of Pentecost to an emotional response Peter. You are bordering on a serious sin. The truth is that we already have been given all that we need in Holy Spirit to live a godly life. We are no longer just a human being, but are now Spirit. You have much to learn. Precepts and laws are for those who are yet with a bent to sin. So I would examine myself if I were you, to see if I am in the faith.
It is the Lord who brought the law and the rules of existance. They are not temporary but
eternal. What has changed is how love and communion with the King bring us into victory
and fulfillment of the law of Christ so we can walk in obedience to it.
You appear to be suggesting this is not the Lords way.
Indeed, yes I am. It's called the new and Living way.
Rather it is your rebellion against man made constraints on your life that you are rebelling
against and assuming these are Gods principles. It is why you need to listen to Jesus very
closely and learn to know His heart.
But, I am not rebellious or lawless Peter. I have a new master and I walk a different way. Called the law of the Spirit which is life now lived in another. Or out of union with a power that is beyond this earth. This is the purpose of Pentecost. Power to live and to witness. A witness which is performed through the giftings He gives. Tongues is not all of Pentecost, and that is just language of the new man. A personal tool unless used as a gift in the meeting. Throw away all those things Satan has put out to confuse the purpose of Holy Spirit in our life. Stay focused on the purpose.
"Now this may sound judgemental but the lie is to believe God has ever contradicted His
laws, the basis of what love and righteousness are, and we are free to behave as we like."
"Paul puts it like this, in the Spirit we are slaves to righteousness, we literally desire to do the
right thing and as far as possible we walk in it, while learning and growing as we do."
Am having trouble with getting this iPad to underline your last two paragraphs. So I quoted. I agree that we have the desire to please our Heavenly Father now because we understand the sacrifice He did to redeem us back to Himself after the act of treason by the fall. For this was the plan before creation began and the only way that we could be like God, to be born of His own Spirit by our choosing God over self. He has given us all we need to live godly. I'll keep saying this over and over until it sinks down deep. A new man in Christ Jesus has crucified self with the Cross of Jesus by faith. Faith has power in heavenly realms.
And we now live out of the Kingdom of God that is within.
because you have an emotional response to God, then you have lost the plot.
You should never minimize the power of Pentecost to an emotional response Peter. You are bordering on a serious sin. The truth is that we already have been given all that we need in Holy Spirit to live a godly life. We are no longer just a human being, but are now Spirit. You have much to learn. Precepts and laws are for those who are yet with a bent to sin. So I would examine myself if I were you, to see if I am in the faith.
It is the Lord who brought the law and the rules of existance. They are not temporary but
eternal. What has changed is how love and communion with the King bring us into victory
and fulfillment of the law of Christ so we can walk in obedience to it.
You appear to be suggesting this is not the Lords way.
Indeed, yes I am. It's called the new and Living way.
Rather it is your rebellion against man made constraints on your life that you are rebelling
against and assuming these are Gods principles. It is why you need to listen to Jesus very
closely and learn to know His heart.
But, I am not rebellious or lawless Peter. I have a new master and I walk a different way. Called the law of the Spirit which is life now lived in another. Or out of union with a power that is beyond this earth. This is the purpose of Pentecost. Power to live and to witness. A witness which is performed through the giftings He gives. Tongues is not all of Pentecost, and that is just language of the new man. A personal tool unless used as a gift in the meeting. Throw away all those things Satan has put out to confuse the purpose of Holy Spirit in our life. Stay focused on the purpose.
"Now this may sound judgemental but the lie is to believe God has ever contradicted His
laws, the basis of what love and righteousness are, and we are free to behave as we like."
"Paul puts it like this, in the Spirit we are slaves to righteousness, we literally desire to do the
right thing and as far as possible we walk in it, while learning and growing as we do."
Am having trouble with getting this iPad to underline your last two paragraphs. So I quoted. I agree that we have the desire to please our Heavenly Father now because we understand the sacrifice He did to redeem us back to Himself after the act of treason by the fall. For this was the plan before creation began and the only way that we could be like God, to be born of His own Spirit by our choosing God over self. He has given us all we need to live godly. I'll keep saying this over and over until it sinks down deep. A new man in Christ Jesus has crucified self with the Cross of Jesus by faith. Faith has power in heavenly realms.
And we now live out of the Kingdom of God that is within.
Isnt EG addressing condemnation that laws will put on a believer for failures? That is when one is paralyzed by this and cannot move forward to restoration with the Lord, for that is what law does. Not so with the grace of God.
I easily see what he is saying.
Yes he was.
But he is not the one who said, you speak to us rather than God speaking to us. He was the one talking with God.
I may have worked myself backwards because...
Those under the blood (on the doorposts) were saved from Gods' wrath.
Then they followed and saw a great miracle - the red sea.
Then they became mistrustful and unbelieving over smaller things/daily provisions.
Then He became displeased with them and they did not enter because of their unbelief in His grace and mercy and care.
(I say I may have worked myself backwards because I am thinking once again that subsequent unbelief can get one cut off.)
Those under the blood (on the doorposts) were saved from Gods' wrath.
Then they followed and saw a great miracle - the red sea.
Then they became mistrustful and unbelieving over smaller things/daily provisions.
Then He became displeased with them and they did not enter because of their unbelief in His grace and mercy and care.
(I say I may have worked myself backwards because I am thinking once again that subsequent unbelief can get one cut off.)
well Stephen, didn't Jesus die for all the world? You want to call that hyper grace? Maybe so but scripture calls it abounding doesn't it?
I wouldn't insult grace if you view hypergrace as evil, if I were you.
First off don't be passive aggressive with me. I have written numerous posts on fruit bearing. Next I didn't ask what a repented heart showed, I said how does one obtain it? And who determines that we are sincere enough? Thank you.
Stunned, those before the Cross had no inward change. We don't have to see to believe because we have experienced God with the new birth.
It's not out of context.
It's dealing with people who are being deceived. And it says it's not possible.
Just because you don't like it, because it doesn't fit your theology doesn't make it out of context.
And once again you are insinuating that I don't know anything about fruit bearing. I have written numerous posts about it. And this post has nothing to do with fruit-bearing.
You will be ignored the next time you do this passive-aggressive behavior. I find it rude, demonic, and not at all Christ like.
It's dealing with people who are being deceived. And it says it's not possible.
Just because you don't like it, because it doesn't fit your theology doesn't make it out of context.
And once again you are insinuating that I don't know anything about fruit bearing. I have written numerous posts about it. And this post has nothing to do with fruit-bearing.
You will be ignored the next time you do this passive-aggressive behavior. I find it rude, demonic, and not at all Christ like.
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