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UnderGrace
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Well aside from the personal judgement on me essentially that is the truth it is either self or God's grace, why would I want self when I have access to the very grace of God...baffling.
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Had you been paying attention to our conversation you would know my terms used here, planted and grounded have nothing to do with your fleshly desire to entrap me as your foolish attmept here shows.....
UG stated she is not planted in a local church and does not need to be, instead she does studies with like minded people that share her views of grace...
My admonishment to be planted and grounded was being used in terms of her finding a solid Bible preaching church to learn more than just grace.....which we are told is good for us in Psalm 92.12-15 and ironically something you chide people to do all the time....
Come to full age....but thanks for manifesting your motives about me...it is not like it was never discerned before...
Psalm 92.12-15
The righteous man will flourish like the palm tree,
He will grow like a cedar in Lebanon.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Planted in the house of the Lord,
They will flourish in the courts of our God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]They will still yield fruit in old age;
They shall be full of sap and very green,
[SUP]15 [/SUP]To declare that the Lord is upright;
He is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.
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Ariel82
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Don't see how Dcon is a universalist...he says workers for are going to hell....so something doesn't line up.
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eternally-gratefull
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I agree. His post was good but in the very last sentence he talked down to his sister in pride. It reminded me of brother peterjens. Sometimes he posts something edifying and then gets a dig in in the last sentence that undoes all the good work he did in the post.
Do you think it is because we don't feel safe to another that they poke us first because they're afraid we will poke them?
Is it that we can't stop and just start over better with each other and lay down our pride for one another?
I got in a nasty dig the other day at meggido and almost instantly knew by the Spirit that it was not good. (But too late to remove my remark) I apologize again for that.
If we can't humble before each other I think we are deceived that we have humbled before God as much as we should. Because I think when we humble before each other, we have done it to Him just the same as when He says if we give the drink of water to a brother we have done it to Him.
I do not know what the issue is other than pride. You think you know it all. You get angry at other people. then you make those little remarks. That was Peters issue. Especially when it came to me. Your right, meggido is acting just like him. Maybe he will learn, where Peter just dig his boots in the ground and refused to come out. .
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UnderGrace
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Yes this has been my traditional understanding as well, makes sense there was that hole in their heart then the ability to sin also came to be, and the blame game started.
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eternally-gratefull
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so it is better to go to a church that does not have truth, then to have a bible study with people who follow truth.
your legalism is leaking out.
universalists and other false teachings state this all the time...perceived workers are the only ones going to hell....because the truth bothers them...
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eternally-gratefull
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Sadly, I fear He is going blind, so he struggles to see truth anymore. Like a few others. they hear what they want to hear. everything else is just noise.
The sad part is, what they call noise, would prevent them from bearing false witness of others. because whet they call noise, is the truth of what the others believe.
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Ariel82
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Yeah EG..I don't know why you or Meggido insist on talking to folks who have you on ignore.
Seems counter productive and petty of both of you.
Seems counter productive and petty of both of you.
ummmmmm UG had taken me off, so I replied, I will not speak to her any more and as she stated earlier today, I have also placed her back on ignore...
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UnderGrace
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Another side conversation,
But I guess I have learned (to some degree, not perfectly) that one can be very convinced of a belief and there is no point making it personal, we can only seek to persuade by reason and scripture.
Somethings God has to reveal them to you, so you know them deep in your heart, like I am saved by grace through faith, it is a gift so that no man can boast and it can never be forsaken or taken back
If you know a doctrine/belief deep in your heart/spirit it is very different than a doctrine you have come to accept because that is what you have been taught, I think we all have a mix of both
But I guess I have learned (to some degree, not perfectly) that one can be very convinced of a belief and there is no point making it personal, we can only seek to persuade by reason and scripture.
Somethings God has to reveal them to you, so you know them deep in your heart, like I am saved by grace through faith, it is a gift so that no man can boast and it can never be forsaken or taken back
If you know a doctrine/belief deep in your heart/spirit it is very different than a doctrine you have come to accept because that is what you have been taught, I think we all have a mix of both
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eternally-gratefull
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well its good that does not teach that then..
universalists also teach no one willl go to hell. everyone gets to heaven.
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eternally-gratefull
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who do I have on ignore?
if your talking about Meggido. I never said I would. or have ignored him.
Petty? Maybe its petty YOU ASSUME things which are not true?
EG has never placed me on ignore and a last week stated that just because I placed him on ignore and I do not respond to him meant nothing to him and he would not ignore me...and continue to reply to me.
This shows his lack of respect for others and his abusive nature towards others.......
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eternally-gratefull
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Another side conversation,
But I guess I have learned (to some degree, not perfectly) that one can be very convinced of a belief and there is no point making it personal, we can only seek to persuade by reason and scripture.
Somethings God has to reveal them to you, so you know them deep in your heart, like I am saved by grace through faith, it is a gift so that no man can boast and it can never be forsaken or taken back
If you know a doctrine/belief deep in your heart/spirit it is very different than a doctrine you have come to accept because that is what you have been taught, I think we all have a mix of both
I was bound to what I was taught, 20 years ago, I would have made people like Peterjenz and Meggido look like saints. I am thankful that one friend stood up to me and would not let me continue, and made me question 1 truth, which got me to question a bunch of truths. and has schanged ddno only my attitude but my thinking.
However, I will admit, When I see them, They remind me of the chains I was sin, and I want to free them, sso much so I am sure I go about it the wrong way out of desperation for their souls.
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UnderGrace
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Ariel82
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Yeah you told him to put you on ignore and if you were addressing a doctrinal point he was making it would make sense for you to respond, but you were rebuking him when you know, he isn't reading your words. That is petty
Sides UG is a big girl she can rebuke him herself if there is a need.
