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sevenseas
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oh ouch
I'm cringing and almost having fun in here again
it is nothing more than a popularity contest...I like her, she likes him, you like them, he likes everyone...it's in the likes! and if you get a rep?
big time baby! big time!
better go make supper for the hungry hoards
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Fran, the only impression I get of your real talents is that you are good at arguing - that's it!
Jesus would never have asked several thousand people to act in contravention to the Sabbath!
Jesus, by His own actions, did try to redefine the point of the Sabbath but He never encouraged anyone to break obvious rules of the Sabbath.
The mistake you are making is imposing a New Covenant understanding of events PRIOR to the institution of the New Covenant...
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sevenseas
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sevenseas
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You know, you take a person off of ignore only for the person to quickly remind you of why you booted her there in the first place.
touche!!
ding ding ding and we have a winner
hope he's not bitter or we will have to put thorns on the roses
LOL
That's some talent!
Do you believe every new covenant negated or abolished the previous one?
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Ariel82
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Hebrews 8
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
8For he finds fault with them when he says:c
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
9not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
11And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”
13In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
8For he finds fault with them when he says:c
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
9not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
11And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”
13In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
No of course you're not picking on me.
Of course you could have asked what I meant instead.
If this isn't picking,,,what is.
Kindergarten time!!
I'm outta here.
your not required to repent either. for a law you do not have.
can you give scripture,to when a gentile, was given a law to repent of.
i have already point, out acts 2 is for jewish converts.
if you expect to correct peoples, thinking in this matter, take it up with acts 15.
and since you cannot, then have fun, trying to tame condemnation, from this law , you claim to understand and instruct others in understanding the the bible, yet cannot understand acts 15. and paul wrote at gal 5 ,has already instructed , why your cut, off from the rhema.
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Ariel82
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Royalscot believes in dual covenant theology and that gentiles were never given the old testament law.....not sure he believes anyone in the new Covenant has any laws apply to them....been trying to figure it out but admitted defeat and in need of a translator.
you do not have, an old covenant. so you deserve death, by an old covenant. and a temple of stone to follow the law fully.. but since you desire, to continue in this , my context will remain as a warning, what not to do.
the pharisee choose to live , for the remainder of his life, knowing there crime.
Jesus Before Caiaphas and the Council
57 Then those who had seized Jesus led him to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders had gathered.58 And Peter was following him at a distance, as far as the courtyard of the high priest, and going inside he sat with the guards to see the end.59 Now the chief priests and the whole Council were seeking false testimony against Jesus that they might put him to death,60 but they found none, though many false witnesses came forward. At last two came forward61 and said, "This man said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to rebuild it in three days.'"62 And the high priest stood up and said, "Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?
if the pharisee used killing, with out context.
64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?" And they all condemned him as deserving death.Mark 14
if your context kills, other because of lack of context, do you deserve the same punishment.
why ,did they not stone, them selfs. if the had context to there own action, and the penalty, the law had over them, for breaking the jewish law. .
17 But he looked directly at them and said, "What then is this that is written:
"'The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone'?
18 Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him."Luke 20
Paul stated the Gentiles while not having the Law, were a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves.
You don't know what ALL-sufficient means? Jesus Christ is the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. I am trusting in His finished work of redemption (death, burial and resurrection of Christ - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) as the All-sufficient means of my salvation. That's what it means to BELIEVE the Gospel (Romans 1:16). I have shared Scripture with people on numerous occasions and at times I point certain folks to websites that QUOTE SCRIPTURE to help them understand. There is nothing wrong with that. Iron sharpens iron.
nice twist of words. ( what happens, if you do not have hands, )
a finished work, would need something ,that you ,could add, yet, you say there something else, to be added, yet give no quote or logic to what, it is that is missing. work for who, if a voice told you, about salvation. or did you read about salvation. (jesus died to give this salvation to believer. )when did, our hands ,play any part in that.
do you know the meaning to salvation.
salvation
salˈveɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
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- 1.
preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.
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[TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
[TD]lifeline, preservation, conservation, means of escape"she clung to that conviction, knowing it was her salvation"
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- 2.
THEOLOGY
deliverance from sin and its consequences, believed by Christians to be brought about by faith in Christ.
[COLOR=#878787 !important]"the Christian gospel of salvation for all mankind"[/COLOR]
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[TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
[TD]redemption, deliverance, saving, help, reclamation"we are here to bring you to salvation by way of repentance"
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may be i am guess , with the twist of words used, in your post, to imply a twin meaning, of some sort.
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