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John 15
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. 7“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.8“My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. 9“Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. 10“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. 11“These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.This scripture tells plainly that we live because we're attached to Jesus, the true vine.
Being "thrown away" plainly means to be separated from Christ. No Christ, no life.
Being thrown in the fire means thrown into Hell. Again, it's plain.
Bearing fruit is mandatory. Those bearing fruit are empowered to bear more. This shows the christian is expected to grow & mature spiritually, bearing more fruit as they grow.
This scripture is much more important than these others quoted above. Here's why:
1. Jesus taught it. That makes it absolute truth.
2. Jesus teaches Abiding in its completeness. No pieces, or one-verse wonders.
3. It teaches the truth about fruit bearing. It states fruitfulness is mandatory & what happens when you do & what happens if you don't.
4. It leaves no room for twisting its symbolism nor its message. That's why false teachers won't use it.
5. It states plainly that obedience is the fruit & proves we're abiding in Him.
6. It proves we glorify God by bearing much fruit, & in doing this, prove to the world we're Christ's disciples.
7. It locks in the meaning to properly interpret other teachings about abiding in Christ, so we know what the other authors are really saying, keeping others from twisting them to their advantage.
It's a wonderful scripture, showing us that God makes us able to bear fruit, & multiplies our ability to do so when we live by faith & walk in loving obedience to Him.
I didn't miss it..... you did.
Paul was taught by direct revelation.....you really should study more Fran.....it might help your dogma develop into sound doctrine.....
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Ariel82
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That's what you get for thinking, LOL!
Just goes to show you don't know me at all.
No you're a hard guy to get to know, but I am getting glimpses that gives me hope that you just might be worth the effort.
Thanks.....I thought of numerous scriptures that teach positional salvation in Christ.....you would think the grand poobah of knowledge would already know them.......guess not when you push nothing but works for salvation that can be lost which is false!
I have an autistic granddaughter.
God knows who He is dealing with
and God will not be mocked.
No fear for those with problems.
Jesus became one of us and knows all our problems firs-hand.
AMEN......Paul's inspired words carry as much weight and truth as the word's of JESUS..........now watch "em" squirm, twist and buck.....
What are the commandments of the New Covenant?
Are you speaking of the Two?
Did Jesus come to abolish the commandments?
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Ariel82
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I believe that when we become mature in Christ, He calls us His friends. Isn't that an awesome thought.
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John 15
12“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15No longer do I call you servants,a for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 17These things I command you, so that you will love one another.
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John 15
12“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15No longer do I call you servants,a for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 17These things I command you, so that you will love one another.
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You know....all you do is prove how deceptive and dishonest you really are with posts like this.....serious! Especially the bolded.....!
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Sully
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I think hating someone leads to not wanting to forgive someone, which leads to not wanting forgiveness to be available to all, which leads to leading astray with the works based salvation false teaching.
hmmm castle stompers lol i wonder if i even have a castle ? i know that i have a kingdom waiting for me which i can inherit but does that make it my castle ?
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Ariel82
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He fulfilled them and replaced them with a better COMMANDMENT of agape love,
Most don't understand what that truly means though.
AMEN.....also oblivious to the fact that JESUS was born, lived and died under the LAW which ratified the NEW Covenant....of the which PAUL covers extensively.....I am so glad that JESUS set us free from this legalistic mindset that permeates the workers for and salvation losers......
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Ariel82
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I never thought we had a kingdom.,,there is only one King, Jesus but he tells us he has mansions for us.,,which are like castles.
John 14 v 2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
It is sad that people like Fran and Stephen think they can lie about people, and somehow this is okay in their minds. Then they want others to apologize for the mistakes they have made when they refuse to take responsibility for their own. The level of hypocrisy is code red. I wonder how they can not see it, or if they see it but just refuse to acknowledge it, as if they are playing some harmless game.I think hating someone leads to not wanting to forgive someone, which leads to not wanting forgiveness to be available to all, which leads to leading astray with the works based salvation false teaching.
Like the Pharisees who pushed a working for, law keeping dogma for salvation which could be lost?