Not By Works

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JIMBO43 said:
Now this i can accept and this i like honest of not knowing..

I Just herd perry stone say that Gods grace is given everytime he forgives you for sinning..
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Yep we sin his grace covers it.
Its not a greasy grace though.
You know and I know and all us on this thread it's not license to sin.

We sin, come before him, fess it up and relationship restored.

I think his grace works in us to reduce sin. To become more like him.
 
Im just so happy coz i feal as if ive earned my rest..... :)


Question is it wrong of me to feal happy and proud of my self for earning a rest. ?
 
This is because the current you describe the light bulb needs is not Jesus, it is the Holy Spirit...someone I think even the OSAS crowd has marginalized down to a .49 stamp....
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Totally agree here Meggido. And is my gripe too.
 
BillG said:
How am I being facetious?

Maybe it it comes across that way and if so it wasn't meant to be.

I was just trying to say that if works saves us then Jesus would have said so.

I do accept though that it could have come across that way.
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ahhhhhhhhhh ok mate :cool: hahahahha
 
Gabriel2020 said:
You are teaching false doctrine about works because you don't understand what works they are talking about. spiritual works is what scripture is talking about, and not the works of your hands, which is the works of the flesh.
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Works of the flesh is evil works conjured up by man and manifest bodily (quite often by religious ordnances)...the good spiritual works are also manifest bodily, ...Paul said to be perfect in spirit, soul, and body....therefore positional righteousness is confusion and vanity, whereas good works via manifest reality is the whole body being directed by the inner man whose heart is pure towards God, being subject to the Spirit of the Law, thus established therein, and ruling over his own members as God told Cain to do...............be blessed
 
JIMBO43 said:
Im just so happy coz i feal as if ive earned my rest..... :)


Question is it wrong of me to feal happy and proud of my self for earning a rest. ?
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Philippians 4:4 ►
New International Version
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!

New Living Translation
Always be full of joy in the Lord. I say it again--rejoice!

English Standard Version
Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice.

Berean Study Bible
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!

Berean Literal Bible
Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!

New American Standard Bible
Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!

King James Bible
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
 
FranC said:
Hey Stephen,

This thread moves too fast for me,

But I'm with you all the way.

The thing about Hyper Grace is that some of it is true.
It's true that we're depending on Jesus.
It's true that He imputes HIS righteousness onto us.

But there is so much there that is NOT true or biblically correct that it just
wipes out everything else.

God's grace is sufficient for us.
Hyper Grace should not even exist.

What some here don't seem to realize is that there are TWO steps to salvation.

First you have to GET SAVED. Otherwise you're out of the Kingdom. Lost. No spirit in you. No zoe life which only Jesus could give.

Second, you have to keep yourself in the Kingdom. You have to do what Jesus wants you to do there.
Some think you tie a hammock to two trees and just do NOTHING the rest of your life.

This is not what Jesus taught.
WORKS is a GOOD word.
WE are God's hands and feet --- to go and to do.

He's not coming down here to do it all for us.

And if we DON'T do what He says, HE IS STILL GOD.

God Always demanded obedience.

Deuteronomy 30:15
30:19
Joshua 24:15

IT'S THE SAME GOD!!!

Choose this day whom you will SERVE.

SERVE.
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He sent One to empower us. Can we boast then of anything done? When it's not really by our "hand"?

You don't mention Holy Spirit. And you don't see that grace is His power. That's the NT description of grace. Unmerited seen in OT as to Noah. But, the power of God who is within us and alongside of us. In other simpler words...the anointing. Without this we are just empty vessels playing church.
 
Ariel82 said:
Philippians 4:4 ►
New International Version
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!

New Living Translation
Always be full of joy in the Lord. I say it again--rejoice!

English Standard Version
Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice.

Berean Study Bible
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!

Berean Literal Bible
Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!

New American Standard Bible
Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!

King James Bible
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
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ok so why is it people say its wrong to boast ?
 
JIMBO43 said:
Im just so happy coz i feal as if ive earned my rest..... :)


Question is it wrong of me to feal happy and proud of my self for earning a rest. ?
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To be honest Jimbo I would say no it's not wrong.
If we realise that we have done the will of God we can pleased and feel proud of what we have done as a result of what he has done in us.

God himself said

Matthew 3:17
17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
 
Zmouth said:
Do you consider John 3:16 the cornerstone of the Gospel?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

If the cornerstone of the Gospel is that God so loved the world, then how did you hear that God loves man.

So if did God gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believed in Him should not perish, then who is going to have everlasting life? Those who believe in the only begotten Son or those who in believe in God?

I can't see any other answer than those who believe in the only begotten Son because the only begotten Son said to have faith in God.
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what is missing is that faith is steadfast faithfulness to God's commands from heart purity.....be blessed
 
stonesoffire said:
~Bill Johnson is regularly listed as an NAR leader. He believes in the apostolic and prophetic ministries, but says the church does not have any official ties to the NAR."[SUP][[/SUP]
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I spent a month in Bethel last year and I can tell you personally that he is full of the love of God and has a passion for people to be free.

He was instrumental in giving a substantial amount of money to save a church in their community from closing down that had been repeatedly speaking slanderous things about the Bethel church and it's leadership - much like we see in CC being done by some.

That was love in action. Blessing those that curse you and speak all manner of evil against you.
 
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Sully said:
Maybe it's so hard for some to believe that they have complete forgiveness of sins in the eyes of God is because they may not want someone else to have complete forgiveness...the psychology fits.
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aha...deep thinking...very good. :)
 
Ariel82 said:
Would you like to be mauled by a fluffy teddy bear or ripped apart by an alligator?


Bout the same choice.....I don't know Johnson but NAR and WOF false doctrines are poison dressed up as candy.
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forgive her Lord. She knoweth not what she speaketh about...eth.
 
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