Your words speak for them self. Why don't you just come right out and say it?
We are not saved by works, but works follow being saved.
This seems pretty simple, and easy for me to understand, and yet many don't seem to get it.
Not By Works
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We are not saved by works, but works follow being saved.
This seems pretty simple, and easy for me to understand, and yet many don't seem to get it.
I believe Scripture and it is contrary to this man's teaching. Apparently anything other than the Gospel Paul taught is fake... enough said there...
Just speak plainly. Do your works apart from faith save, or do they not?
If they do not, stop opposing those who state the truth of the matter.
Indeed and our Saviour is telling us that we must work... I think of it as labour in love..
should i through Grace and love ignore this in favour of dc's teaching? GOD forbid.
Hey...I'm still a card carrying Brit
Lived US side for over 30 years now!! And I like cake especially Icecream cake.
Where did DC say we SHOULD NOT do anything once we are already saved? Please point it out to us so we can all see it. Thank you.
Scripture teaches us this:
please read all of James 2.. this is part for posting here.
James 2
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c]21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
It seems all you can do is bloviate....POST 10 VERSES in CONTEXT that states we are SAVED by works.....we are all still waiting........I posted 18 that shows salvation is by FAITH without works attached.....we are waiting.......10 in context.....
AMEN.....You know the truth and post it.....the workers for cannot post the truth about what we believe....now he has pulled the "JAMES" card which does not teach salvation by works......
SHOW ME your faith......
You have posted a verse here and there and added to it... first share truth in context without adding to it: 'no works'
Scripture teaches that we are saved by grace through faith. You said you agreed but then you turn around and say YOUR works save you. We are saved by Christ's works. HE gives us a new heart. HE works through us. We co-operate with the working of the Holy Spirit of God in our life. This is what moved us to faith in the first place, and delivered us unto salvation. Until then we were in rebellion against God and in need of repentance. If people could save themselves apart from God's grace and the love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ through the shedding of His righteous blood, which is as a covering for us for all time, unlike the blood of bulls and goats... they would. But, they cannot. That is the testimony of Scripture.
Put your glasses on and go back and read......<-----NO WORKS means exactly that...the verses I posted were clear...SAVED BY FAITH and NO WORKS were mentioned....are you that dense or what?
Would you not say that works without faith are dead works as well?
I think that's where goats fall foul.
Yes works will follow faith as a result of faith.
DC is passionately opposed to the doctrine that people teach works save and being sinless and if we don't then we have no faith. He has also said that genuine believers will produce fruit, some a lot and others not so much but there is fruit.
I am sure DC will correct me if I am wrong.
Loveme, good works are NOT required for the purpose of gaining or keeping salvation. Works do not save us at all. Grace, faith and belief in Jesus Christ are what saves us.. However, we ARE to do good works to show God's love to others through us..
I'm content to share Scripture and not receive an "Amen" from man...
The James card?
Boasting my sinless perfection.. I did a good work today with drinking iced coffee.
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