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dc - I am sorry. Obviously you are a case of being incapable of seeing an obvious conflict
of ideas.
Let me try it in a diagram
1..... (P + S) + (+/- F) + C <= God ok
2.... P + F + W + C <= God ok
P = person S = sin C = Christ F = Faith W = Washed clean
Now if sin is always present, then God is ok with it. ( easy version )
As long as you have faith at some point, you are safe.
Now scripture is simple. Cleansed and purified, made Holy before God, walking in faith
and knowing Gods love is acceptable and in His will to walk.
It is easy to dodge these issues, but I will let the light shine as long as it is day, and it
will just get brighter, for the cross brought us victory over sin and death, Amen.
The whole context concerned a letter that Paul had written unto the assembly at Corinth (vs. 8)....it was written unto the saved and for the purpose of defending Paul's ministry and to get the Corinthians to receive Paul and company and their instruction that was directed at the Corinthian assembly (vs. 2) The verses you cite are a comparison between godly sorrow and worldly sorrow....It seems the letter made them sorrowful and they changed their mind toward PAUL, received his words of instruction and correction and changed their course.....Paul was clear on SIN.....should we continue to live a life of SIN because the GRACE of GOD out bounds our sin....NO......should we be remorseful of our sin when we sin...obviously....but at the end of the day like all the verses that have been posted....we are continually forgiven, cleansed and justified by the blood of Christ as far as our standing is concerned.....we are no longer condemned as the LOST ARE, but rather we are dealt with as sons and daughters........
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eternally-gratefull
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I have to disagree,
if we do not not realize this first, we will never be empowered to walk in his ways
we have to realize we are accepted and loved as Gids children otherwise, all we will be left with is fear and depression, or a lifetime of denying our sin is sin, while judging others who are more sinful that we are in an att JP to make us feel better.
That's not true.
Even Paul said he still dealt with the flesh.
I'm saved, & spirit filled, but I deal with temptation every day.
Watch him folks..... That's not the Holy Spirit saying such things.
Amen!
I sure do believe our loving Father corrects us and "child-trains" us. He does it by His word.
If we want to see how our Father corrects us - see how Jesus corrected and death with the disciples. Jesus is the perfect representation of the exact nature of the father and Jesus did the will of the Father while on this earth.
If we think God is punishing us - we have a wrong view of the Father and we are bringing our own humanistic thoughts and ways and projecting them on to Him and His ways.
1 John 4:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.
What ways have we seen Jesus discipline the disciples? That would be an interesting study to ponder.
what seems to actually be easier is lying to yourself and others ( and ultimately to God because he knows all ) that you do not sin. that is what you seem to do.
and sinlessness is a lie.
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Ariel82
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I like rainbows. They are gifts from God to remind us of his promise not to flood the entire earth even though it's becoming as wicked as the days of Noah.
They aren't "gay pride colors".
We need to reclaim what Satan seeks to steal and the rainbow is one of the smaller symbols that have been distorted.
Now if they actively support gay life styles and condemn you for saying it's against the Bible,then I wouldn't attend the church because it's unlikely you will get Biblical sound doctrine there.
gb9 - Let me give you an illustration.
You observe people playing russian roulette. You say one day the bullet will be in the
chamber and blow you head off. They say no it will not, I do not need to change, nothing
wrong with me, God will look after me, you are a legalist, I am saved and secure, I do not
need to do anything.
So you show them the gun, the ammunition and way it all works and still they continue.
You only stop going to die, but stopping putting the gun to your head and pulling the
trigger.
All I can say this is willful blindness and rebellion.
It is absolutely fruitless to engage him.......we can say 100000000000000000000000 times that we do not advocate a lifestyle of sin and he will come back with that crap............exactly why I skip 99% of what he posts......Because when I do look at one....all I see is this fabricated twist of what we believe......
Here is my simple view of sin. It is always present in our lives, because temptation is always present in our lives. It may hide for awhile, but presents itself when opportunities for temptation arise.. It is up to us to either resist it, or give in to it. God is not okay with sin, He never has been. But He IS okay with forgiving us of that sin, no matter how many times we give in to it.. 
Here is what the scripture says about the flesh and "it's" desires and walking by the spirit.
The malice and deceitful mis-representing and accusations some people make - would in their own religion send them to hell for this type of behavior.
Thank God for the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work.
Romans 6:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Galatians 5:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say,walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
The malice and deceitful mis-representing and accusations some people make - would in their own religion send them to hell for this type of behavior.
Thank God for the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work.
Romans 6:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Galatians 5:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say,walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
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eternally-gratefull
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So seeking after things, walking with the spirit will not do what God says,
thanks, here we have it people, God is a liar,
Gal 5:16 I say then, walk in the spirit, and you will not fulfill the list of the flesh
Peter, we are ALL unclean. Ya know why? Because even though we may be saved, we ARE still human and still tempted to sin every now and again. But the good thing about getting "muddy", is God's forgiveness washes us clean, just like a garden hose..It is IMPOSSIBLE for a Christian to not sin after they're saved.
For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
The bible is clear and so was Jesus.....The disciples were COMPLETLEY clean inside and out.......the only thing that needed to be washed every now and then were their stinky feet........this SPEAKS VOLUMES to our state....and our WALK....and our POSITIONING in Christ........
Peter, we are ALL unclean. Ya know why? Because even though we may be saved, we ARE still human and still tempted to sin every now and again. But the good thing about getting "muddy", is God's forgiveness washes us clean, just like a garden hose..
For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
I hate to say this is a dumb comment, but blue, it is.
When babies are born they are dirty and need a wash.
Man is born separate from God and behaves as they feel like.
When man comes to God, they need to be cleansed. That means really cleansed and
purified, to know what love is and to be transformed.
All you are saying is we all have a potential to sin.
What I am saying is Christ in the Spirit gives you a way to stay clean.
It appears you prefer the wallowing rather than being cleansed. Got it.
Walking by the spirit will always stop the lusts of the flesh that want to do "it's" desires.
That's not true.
Even Paul said he still dealt with the flesh.
I'm saved, & spirit filled, but I deal with temptation every day.
Watch him folks..... That's not the Holy Spirit saying such things.
Amen...and that is why I do not interact with those that are so deceitful in what they are saying. Paul says what to do with these types in Rom. 16;17
This type of behavior is no different then those living a homosexual lifestyle and thinking it is a great thing to do - because they are just "loving others". What nonsense.
They are in the same lists as "works of the flesh".
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Ariel82
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Hebrews 12 v 5....elenchomenos
Hebrews 12:5 Greek Text Analysis
"Being reproved" is the same word as "convict"
Hebrews 12:5 ►
New International Version
And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says, "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
New Living Translation
And have you forgotten the encouraging words God spoke to you as his children? He said, "My child, don't make light of the LORD's discipline, and don't give up when he corrects you.
English Standard Version
And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.
Berean Study Bible
And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, or lose heart when He rebukes you.
Berean Literal Bible
and you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as to sons: "My son, do not regard lightly the Lord's discipline, nor faint being reproved by Him.
New American Standard Bible
and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;
King James Bible
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Hebrews 12:5 Greek Text Analysis
"Being reproved" is the same word as "convict"
Hebrews 12:5 ►
New International Version
And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says, "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
New Living Translation
And have you forgotten the encouraging words God spoke to you as his children? He said, "My child, don't make light of the LORD's discipline, and don't give up when he corrects you.
English Standard Version
And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.
Berean Study Bible
And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, or lose heart when He rebukes you.
Berean Literal Bible
and you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as to sons: "My son, do not regard lightly the Lord's discipline, nor faint being reproved by Him.
New American Standard Bible
and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;
King James Bible
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
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God us not OK, with sin, but God is OK with us. Upon acceptance of Him, He now accepts us, even in the midst of our sin.
The sin issue was resolved on the cross and He no longer holds it against us. Why are you so blind to that? Why do you always focus on sin, and not on the God that has resolved the issue of sin, so that we can walk in love with Him as our friend, as our guide, as our strength through this quagmire called life. If you believe He holds our sins against us, then you don't fully believe in His finished work on the cross.
I like rainbows too. In fact I just ordered two pairs of chunky heel shoes with rainbow soles.. LOL.. Anyhoo, society sees those colors as representing gay pride, even though I don't.. To tell the truth, I'd be scared and mortified to wear my rainbow shoes out in public, cuz probably some religious nut would see them, think that I'm a lesbian who supports gay pride and target me for death.. It sounds silly, but seriously, a friend of mine (tried) becoming a man, and got murdered for it. 
She changed her name, took male hormones, and was about to have surgery to gain a penis, and someone beat her so badly that she died. They found her body on the street.. She was the one who gave me my Tequila kitty 16 years ago.
And on the doors of the churches they have signs that say something to the effect of, "all LGBTQ are welcome here"..
She changed her name, took male hormones, and was about to have surgery to gain a penis, and someone beat her so badly that she died. They found her body on the street.. She was the one who gave me my Tequila kitty 16 years ago. And on the doors of the churches they have signs that say something to the effect of, "all LGBTQ are welcome here"..