Not By Works
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willybob
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willybob
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those who chose wilful blindness over knowledge can never be convinced by logic because they do not really have the LOGOS; (sound logical mind of God), if they did they would not regurgitate easily proven lies. Knowing this first that sin is completely illogical and unintelligent, an impulse of the belly rather than sound reasoning. Come let us reason together sayith the Lord..
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willybob
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this sounds good, but without the baptism of repentance whereas the rebellion stops and the flesh is crucified (2 Cor. 71-11) its all fluff and misleading...
what does worship mean in scripture?
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limey410
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Jimbo,
You forgot the rest of that scripture. " but to fulfill the law"
Fulfill means to complete. He came to complete the Law.
Rom 4 :14
For the law brings about wrath: for where there is no law there is no transgression
Rom 6 :14
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Rom 7: 4
Therefore my brethren you have become dead to the law through the body of Christ
Rom 7: 5
For when we were in the flesh the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work within our members to bear fruit to death
What does Paul mean here when he says we are not under law, but under grace ?
What does he mean Rom 4:14 when he says where there is no law there is no transgression ?
What does Paul mean when he says we are dead to the law through Christ in Rom 7:4 ?
What does Paul mean when he says the law arouses sin in Rom 7:5 ?
If you are resurrected in Christ you are no longer under law.
Matthew 11 : 28-30
28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. 30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
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limey410
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^^^ In addition Jimbo, the Law through faith is the Law of the Spirit of Life that is now written on our hearts, it is NOT the Mosaic law.
Romans 8:2 For the Law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:2 For the Law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
<<<<<<The tounge>>>>>>.
The book of james chapter 3 it possesses its place in our body And spreads evil through are whole being..
Brother and sisters this should not happen but it does.
Think of a forest that is set on fire by one small leaf..
The tounge is like a fire it sets a blaze are whole Body and corrupts it with evil..
In some bibles this paragraph is titleld taming the tounge and in others its just titleld the tounge..
It seems we can tame it but oh boy do need help with that..
The book of james chapter 3 it possesses its place in our body And spreads evil through are whole being..
Brother and sisters this should not happen but it does.
Think of a forest that is set on fire by one small leaf..
The tounge is like a fire it sets a blaze are whole Body and corrupts it with evil..
In some bibles this paragraph is titleld taming the tounge and in others its just titleld the tounge..
It seems we can tame it but oh boy do need help with that..
The start of an argument can be like the first break in a dam....we are in structed to stop it befor it goes any further..
But yet in other paragraphs it say where two can come into agreement there shall be rejoicing... meaning some argements are welcomed...
How ever arguing about the law when i am free from the law and condemnation and conviction of the law is not real an argument no more for me...
It may have been when my tounge wasnt as muchly tamed lol..
But now the law of the spirit is what sets me free from the of wages and death...
Now where people free from the sin of wages of sin and death in the old testement ...? yes they where if they toed the line and didnt sin......
Men of the old t have been taken up to God and Some captives have been set free..
So for those in the spirit who have been set free from this are still subject to it if they mess up they still need to repent...
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Ariel82
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It's a thin line between rebuking and convicting someone and condemning them.
Do you know what divides the two?
Love...if you love the person and they know that you love them.
If you love someone you may be rebuking them to convict them,but if they don't know you love them,they will feel like you are condemning them.
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Ariel82
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The Mosaic law was given after Mount Sinai when Israel refuse to listen to God directly and demanded a prophet to speak to them instead of hearing God speak.
It was given in love also but having the Holy Spirit is better than the written laws on stone, because God speaks directly to our hearts.
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Ariel82
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Without grace, it's all just clouds without rain.
I have already spoken on the need for repentance.
There is only one baptism that saves and it's not John's.
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Ariel82
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Im just illussioned how youve even brought the subject of law into this argument,,What do Good works have to do with the law...
Are you now saying that you are lawless if you come into christ ?
Are you also saying that there is no conviction from the law no more to those who are in christ.
Does that mean i can go and rob a bank tomorrow and feel no conviction or condemnation ?
Does it also mean that i dont have to answer to the law ?
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I agree that the law of love wins over condemnation but how ever that still doesnt take away what the law must accomplish in the believer.. meaning the law is holy in this way..
