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BillG said:
Secretive? Look at all my posts. Is that secretive?

Am I a higher standard than because I'm Scottish? We banter but you seem to take it personally and lump me in with the rest.

This is going to upset you and I will try to convey it in love.

You are starting to walk in the ways of everything you have said you despise on this thread.
Name calling, accusations and so on.

I didn't see this in the JIMBO I first saw, the Jimbo who I have PM'd.

Just so you know I'm not attacking you.

God bless you as well Jimbo
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ha hilarious your so funny in loving way i have to say.. but where is your heart here coz it seems its gone for a wander coz i cant see the billy in there right now either..

maybe it my fault agin..

I mean we wouldnt want you to be hurt would we billy lad..

Or is that my motive to you. ???

Its getting silly this now billy lad... Just admit that the enemy is the murderer not paul..

And how about this for enlightment... Jesus is for those who have a change of heart..:cool:
 
dcontroversal said:
Nice twist of Romans 12:1 to fit your working for law abiding dogma.......funny thing with you workers for...no honesty whatsoever at all with the truth...nothing but embellished, twisted scripture out of context to push something the word does not say!
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It's much easier to deceive people (especially those that perceive strength in numbers) than to convince them they've been deceived, Or as Jesus said; if that light in you be darkness just how great is that darkness..
 
followjesus said:
cant really repent when we deny the Lord working in our conscience to convict of our sins, its the gog that opposes you so harshly and so often bro. there are so many distortions in it that every word has to be redefined " repentance" righteousness" faith..ect. by the time its complete the explaination has outdone the word, and omitted the plain-ness of it. I know people in this doctrine, that actually believe that all the directions and warnings about being unfruitful, are pout in the word by satan, because only the term grace, applies. they will call it the covenant of grace alone, and anything thats a direction or teaching, is of the devil and a person shouldnt believe its for a christian, its just God testing whether we really get it, knowing what to omit, and what to accept as truth.

it truly is a subtle and confusing doctrine, ending up as a blindfold and neccesatating everything to be redefined and twisted according to the pastors view, or authors view, into what isnt there as a message. its one thing, a great thing to speak of the Grace of God, its quite another to exalt the term Grace, and necessatate all the truth and righteousness as a bad idea. One of the worst ideas, is that the words of Jesus will lead a person to condemnation and destruction, when you anylyze it, its the exact opposite of what Jesus maintains, what the apostles maintain, about His word. once we accept things like that it builds high walls, through a perception of horeb that the Word of God is actually against us, and that God is not the same anymore as He has always been.

it negates the receiving of the spirit, the changing of man, and makes it the changing of Gods word rather than accepting it, which is the only thing that makes the change in us. a perception of Gods way is not the way, listen to this other way.
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very true indeed, what it does is it magically transforms manifest reality into a positional acquaintance.
 
JIMBO43 said:
I cant remember what it is i argue about anymore ive argued that much lately lol....
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haha ive noticed from past arguments i was involved in and then go back and read , that it usually isnt the main points we argue about, but details or differences in understanding and growth marks. God writes on Our hearts as we grow so as not to condemn us for our ignorance, and also so as to keep us growing and moving forward

One may have john 3:16 alone written, and though seeing the rest, they do not perceive being unprepared to recieve it and walk by it. because it would condemn us. later more is added by the Lord, and yet more and more as we grow until our Hearts are covered within and without with His words. this sometimes creates conflict yet its Gods design to come together in patience and longsuffering
 
This could actually be a blessing that to argue about something diffrent will help you forget your past argument..

Im not sure if it is a blessing tho coz... Coz God doesnt like quarellism behavior.. but anyways he doesnt mind argumentive behavior when we can become in agreement..

But what isnt clear is how long should the disagreement go on for ?...

this question has got me stumped so i say on with the batlle and training christians to be brave.. [video=youtube;qerKhqT4Nwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qerKhqT4Nwo[/video]
 
lol

id say when the digression of our behavior begins, turning disagreement to argument, it may be time for at least a break haha not sure tho, thats just my own thought, God bless ya man
 
gb9 said:
I accept truth. the truth- the Biblical definition of sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so. these are the guides I use to define sin. so, do you use these , or just make up your standards and keep them?

now, I can certainly not take God's name in vain, not lie, not steal, not lust. BUT, not doing those things DOES NOT make one sinless. there are many more sins listed in the Bible. I use all of them to define sin.
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As most workers for do....they quantify and qualify sin into nice neat little boxes while not realizing a little white lie is as grieveous and as sinful as adultry or murder....then they accuse those who believe in eternal salvation dia grace and faith of living like the devil and or excusing the sin that we acknowledge we have....a sad joke for sure....!
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Wow, I have not been in here in over 4 days, yet your still have to go at me.. I must really have taken an affect on you. I just wish it was in a positive way. And not the way your trying to portray it.

However, I will admit, Your right, it does not work, if your standing 100 on Christ and the cross. Like I am. Like GB9 is, Like Mailmandad is, Like Grace777 Is, Like Ariel is.

The problem is, for all who read what you write. We know that is not the case. If you were standing 100 % in christ, you would not say or declaring 95 % of what you say.

For this reason. We loo, at you declaring this, Thgen see what you really say, And have to declaim. It does not add up. He says he does one thing when in reality he does the other.




As I tried to explain before. Emotional responses are the worst methods in determining what God says. Our emotions will ALWAYS go to our beliefs. And it will never betray our beliefs, So if our belief system is r=wrong to begin with. Our emotions will always lead us back to that wrong belief, and any attempt to change that belief will be met with emotional feedback which is negative. And if the direct action to change our belief is the way of truth, and to repent from our false belief, we will never change, or repent. Because we will never admit we are wrong.
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He cannot help himself.....losing the plot is an ongoing process with the workers for and sinless perfectionist crew....sad indeed
 
willybob said:
It's much easier to deceive people (especially those that perceive strength in numbers) than to convince them they've been deceived, Or as Jesus said; if that light in you be darkness just how great is that darkness..
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Pretty sure your well acquainted with darkness....the false gospel you espouse and push leads to the mists of darkness forever
 
mailmandan said:
Who is saying believe in Jesus and do what you like? Those who trust in their best efforts to obey the commandments as the means of their salvation are in unbelief.

Genuine believers trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation and not in their works. In regards to "keep" the commandments, in 1 John 2:3, we read - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep His commandments.

BTY the Greek word for "keep" is "meno" which means to guard, observe, watch over, properly maintain, keep intact. It does not means sinless, perfect obedience to all of Christ's commandments 100% of the time.
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No one.....besides twisted scriptures, embellished words and straight lies.....it is the only allegation they can muster against those who rightfully believe salvation by grace dia faith void of human effort or work.....
 
eternally-gratefull said:
No, The law was given to lead us to christ. It was not given to show us how to be righteous. Where do you come up with this stuff?

The law can not tell you what intention you have, or why you sinned, All it can do is show you you have fallen short of Gods standard.
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When one rejects context, verb tense, verbiage and simple truths while embellishing with human thought or merit...they can make the bible state all sorts of new pseudo doctrines and dogmas.....
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Amen

What did Paul say about himself?

"chief of all sinners"

"Wretched man"

Yet if we declaim ourselves to be these things, as imitating Paul, we are frowned upon as loving sin, easy gracers. People who fail to rely on God..

Well if thats true, I guess Paul failed.
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Amen.....the thing they lack besides truth and biblical salvation (probably) is the proper perspective of sin in a believer's life, when one qualifies and quantifies sin.....it will always lead to a skewed view.......
 
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JIMBO43 said:
He still never killed anyone tho... his crime was persacution not murder... he persacuted the christians... it was his Job to capture them not kill them.. He did not kill christians or stephen.. its not true..
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Read the bible Jim....Paul killed Christians........! What do you think Murderous threats means in Acts 9:1?
 
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