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So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.
20 That, however, is not the way of life you learned 21 when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 “In your anger do not sin”[d]: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.
29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
Eph 4:17-32
For a thread of believers who are free from condemnation, you seem determined
to condemn others of sin but cannot point to the basis of conviction other than your
own sins that convict you daily.
Here is ephesians listing the life style we should follow.
This is not a if we can be bothered approach, but the approach.
The totally luke warm response to righteousness speaks of your love
or lack of love for Christ.
It makes me wonder when you came through for Christ did you believe you
wanted to tell the whole world at how your King conquered sin and death and
you where truly free from sin, with a deep debt which you could never repay,
but for such a Lord you would do anything?
From testimony here it makes me wonder how many ever knew this.
I say this out of sadness for what I read, not in judgement, because I know what
my Lord will say.
20 That, however, is not the way of life you learned 21 when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 “In your anger do not sin”[d]: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.
29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
Eph 4:17-32
For a thread of believers who are free from condemnation, you seem determined
to condemn others of sin but cannot point to the basis of conviction other than your
own sins that convict you daily.
Here is ephesians listing the life style we should follow.
This is not a if we can be bothered approach, but the approach.
The totally luke warm response to righteousness speaks of your love
or lack of love for Christ.
It makes me wonder when you came through for Christ did you believe you
wanted to tell the whole world at how your King conquered sin and death and
you where truly free from sin, with a deep debt which you could never repay,
but for such a Lord you would do anything?
From testimony here it makes me wonder how many ever knew this.
I say this out of sadness for what I read, not in judgement, because I know what
my Lord will say.
You're still a sinner, whether you admit it or not. And God knows it.
We aren't to go around crowing about our good works, or victories, as you call them.. And no offense, but much of what YOU share is twisted so far around..
We aren't to go around crowing about our good works, or victories, as you call them.. And no offense, but much of what YOU share is twisted so far around..
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eternally-gratefull
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He is your everything, but the cross is not enough.
those are contradiction in terms Peter.
everyone sees it but you.
And funny, you do what you always do, you refused to even show the world I see and what you thought, it is always about you, just further proof..
as as I said, I live in satans world, where I am his enemy. I am a Christian soldier and god is my commander.
We we live in different worlds
We are saints, purified and redeemed sinners walking in Gods grace.
You talk about twisting, but I have no clue what you are referring to.
The joke must be you have an image of me, and you read my words and the two
do not match so you say I am twisting things. What if what I am sharing is true
and the twisting is in the image you project of me which is wrong.
I stopped projecting many years ago because I know how different people can be
and how dangerous some people are. Once you discover how psychotic mental
illness can effect people, you should not assume anything, and concentrate on the
real signals they send. Your life can depend upon it.
I am sure many think they know me, thankfully I know I just rejoice in Christ and His
cross, Amen.
Peter, I like you, I truly do. 
BUT in nearly every post you make, you sound judgemental and self-righteous. You assume way too many things about people. I'm sure that's NOT how you mean for what you write to come across, but that's how it gets across to us. And I think that's why so many here have issues with what you write.
You wonder if I'm saved. YES I am. But I'm also still a sinner who slips up on a frequent basis. Thank goodness God doesn't take away our salvation based on how often we screw up. 
LOL
BUT in nearly every post you make, you sound judgemental and self-righteous. You assume way too many things about people. I'm sure that's NOT how you mean for what you write to come across, but that's how it gets across to us. And I think that's why so many here have issues with what you write. You wonder if I'm saved. YES I am.
But I'm also still a sinner who slips up on a frequent basis. Thank goodness God doesn't take away our salvation based on how often we screw up. LOL
What I'm talking about is this: many of your posts smack of assumptions, condescension, self-righteousness and judgement. You talk about how WE still sin, but act like YOU do not.. You come across like you're the only one here who truly knows God, but guess what: you're wrong. Like I said in my other post, I'm sure this isn't how you intend to come across, but indeed that IS the way you convey yourself..
And it's not only you. We all do it from time to time..
And it's not only you. We all do it from time to time..
smh - I have to admit, I do not like the constraints of language.
The cross is everything, in Christ we see healing, eternity reflected in History, victory
over sin, the eternal God made man, humbling Himself like no other being could that
we might taste eternity and His heart.
It is like the word love - a flimsy soppy sentimental love of dependency between two
strangers who will never become one.
Or is it the foundation of the universe which will conquer the heights and depths of creation,
that mean we will die at the hands of evil people, but still praise the Lord who deems us worthy
so share in His suffering without flinching or running away.
So in all things what is the point, you do not have the skills or ability to find me or my knowledge
of Christ my Lord. And the thing is I am not worried, because you drive me deeper into His and
His glorious riches, Amen, God bless you.
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Ariel82
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PeterJens, how is it that you happen to be around so many mentally ill people?
Did you work in a mentally ill facility?
Did you work in a mentally ill facility?
one of the bedrocks of the Christian faith is truth. so when peter, fran, and others refuse to speak the TRUTH that they still sometimes sin, then by these actions, they deny the faith that they so vigorously defend.
believers should always, always be willing to tell truth,
believers should always, always be willing to tell truth,
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
What we know is you claim we are saints purified and redeemed sinners walking in gods grace,
then you claim we are we are only his way as long as we walk and do what needs to be done to redeem ourselves, otherwise, we are not saints at all,
so you you contradict yourself.
All we we can do is acknowledge you are confused as to what your saying, or you just make it up to sound good, in hopes scripture will leave you alone.
We know you say on thing, but en preach the opposite.
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Ariel82
Guest
The truth is gb9, some people are not convicted of their sins or don't admit that certain actions are sin.
God's standard is higher than ours.
God chastens all His children
God's standard is higher than ours.
God chastens all His children
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
what about salvation, redemption, atonement, eternal life, forgiveness of sin, high priest, lamb of God slain for the sin of the world,
it it is more than victory over sin, it does not make you a good person, it makes you a redeems person who can now walk in the ways of love.
again, you speak of the cross, but not of its power
Anyone else understand this?
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Ariel82
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You know...I get most of what you post....but this is beyond my understanding of what message you are trying to get across.
My world:
God calls me His beloved child, says one day I can come home but for now to walk in this strange land. he gives me light and life giving water to offer to all who seek Him, if people will accept the Gospel of Christ....
Going to keep reading thread maybe previous convo will make sense of this analogy?
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
thats true, but when a person refuses to admit their sin, or acknowledge it, what should this tell us about them?
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Ariel82
Guest
I found what was missing in your day....
You need to include time to rest and be restored by God and His love.
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Ariel82
Guest
So far it tells me he is too busy living life to ask God about it.
I have had days like that.,then God will say wait, you shouldn't have done ____ go apologize and make amends...then we continue with life.
blue - you hate what I share, it is obvious.
I just share from my heart of how I feel about God.
I do not know what you are in your own walk with Christ. If you are confessing sin
about swearing, anger, lust, what am I meant to say? I have the same issues and
react in the same way. I have to deal with the same triggers but I do deal with it
differently.
I am not being superior or judgmental. Do you expect to stay as you are till the
day you die? I am always addressing things in my life and working on different
things. It is just what for me it means to walk with Christ.
Now if I was the only one who truly knew Christ I would be heart broken, on a
christian web site, it would be a denial of my faith in God himself.
I am sure you know Christ, and you have been a blessing to many, so I would
desire to encourage you in your walk. There is always more in Christ than we
can even imagine or think about
Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us
Eph 3:20
I do that for an hour at the beginning of the day, I was just not including everything, lol.
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