Not By Works

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dcontroversal said:
Was is supposed to bother me....well, it didn't......so....anything else you would like to add of value?
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Sure but you won't hear or understand the love of Elohim and His Messiah I and others like me have. Here is my question for you.
What would you have me talk about, or what question could you ask about my faith so you will stop with the hurtful rhetoric your assumptions have given you about me? Much given, much expected.
 
JohnTalmid said:
Sure but you won't hear or understand the love of Elohim and His Messiah I and others like me have. Here is my question for you.
What would you have me talk about, or what question could you ask about my faith so you will stop with the hurtful rhetoric your assumptions have given you about me? Much given, much expected.
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Is not your whole post full of assumptions and hurtful rhetoric?......Do you think you are more holy because I say God and Jesus? Does it make you feel more spiritual to say Elohim and Messiah? Do you think I am not saved because I teach the works and fruit are the result of salvation and faith one already possesses in Christ?

The bible does not teach works for salvation, nor to keep salvation, but the results OF SALVATION.....Do you understand that pushing works as a means of getting or keeping salvation makes one a false teacher?
 
dcontroversal said:
Is not your whole post full of assumptions and hurtful rhetoric?......Do you think you are more holy because I say God and Jesus? Does it make you feel more spiritual to say Elohim and Messiah? Do you think I am not saved because I teach the works and fruit are the result of salvation and faith one already possesses in Christ?

The bible does not teach works for salvation, nor to keep salvation, but the results OF SALVATION.....Do you understand that pushing works as a means of getting or keeping salvation makes one a false teacher?
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Sure do however I'm not pushing a works based salvation, I'm teaching the good works of our salvation.
 
dcontroversal said:
Jesus has numerous names...such as...Immanuel, I AM, JESUS, etc....what is wrong with calling him by his name!
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Nothing but to say like some sacred namers that we must call him Jesus, Yeshua, Yahshua, or Yahushua is wrong and only puts a stumbling block for many. I call him Messiah Yahshua which means Yahs salvation. That knowledge came through much study and introspective meditation. I don't expect anyone to just start calling him by what I have found to be true by my word. Why do you focus on such a divisive topic that by the way has no bearing on salvation
 
Next time , you win out on that sin remember who to thank , that lead you not to sin :)

As God explain to king Abimelech in his dream

Gemesis 20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

Shalom all in Christ Jesus
 
JohnTalmid said:
Nothing but to say like some sacred namers that we must call him Jesus, Yeshua, Yahshua, or Yahushua is wrong and only puts a stumbling block for many. I call him Messiah Yahshua which means Yahs salvation. That knowledge came through much study and introspective meditation. I don't expect anyone to just start calling him by what I have found to be true by my word. Why do you focus on such a divisive topic that by the way has no bearing on salvation
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Post one place I said you must call him Jesus....
 
dcontroversal said:
I need not prove anything to one who does not even understand biblical salvation PAL....The only sin not covered and dealt with is unbelief...go read what the Holy Spirit convinces and convicts of when it comes to sin....and just to show how how much you miss the mark...

Samson

a. Killed himself by suicide
b. Asked for the strength from God to do it and to avenge himself upon the Philistines
c. Killed 7000 Philistines in the process

NO MATTER how you twist, reject and or deny the bible does not teach the loss of salvation....and if it can be lost NO ONE is saved because to break one of the least of the commandments of GOD makes one guilty of the whole....so...to quantify sins into a nice little box or two so as to justify the loss of salvation reeks of ignorance....PAL!
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So Samson believes that "FAITH ALONE SAVES" and in OSAS accdg to your own scripture or interpretation. Sorry pal but your bully type of fellowship and vain pride shows your real person. Wake up pal and repent while there's still time. Plenteous in number...hahaha, it's just so hard to talk like someone I'm not. So I guess i'll just say sorry for going against your belief.

1 Timothy 2:1-4 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
 
Seohce said:
So Samson believes that "FAITH ALONE SAVES" and in OSAS accdg to your own scripture or interpretation. Sorry pal but your bully type of fellowship and vain pride shows your real person. Wake up pal and repent while there's still time. Plenteous in number...hahaha, it's just so hard to talk like someone I'm not. So I guess i'll just say sorry for going against your belief.

1 Timothy 2:1-4 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
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Simple solution....put me on ignore...your working for will not make the cut pal
 
I see scripture that states clearly that faith saves....not one verse states that works save or keep saved.....the workers for and cake takers sure like to try and save themselves...Jesus speaks to this....the plenteous in number that come before him boasting of their works as the means of entrance into the Kingdom....only to be cast as lost men and women who attempted a different door than Jesus and faith....

Not by works of righteousness which we HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US <---Past tense

How blind must one be to say or believe that works save or keep saved......as blind as is the answer!
 
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