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Ariel82
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And this is why Dcon has issues with you because your views are unbiblical. You attempt to place people under the Old Covenant without truly understanding the New covenant.
It is not a SIN not to keep the Jewish feasts or Sabbath.
How so. By grace through faith is how one comes to be saved. Y'all are saying by grace through grace we are saved. You think faith is grace when faith is instruction lived by grace.
AMEN to this....I immediately thought of verses that contradicted that view in the N.T.....THANK GOD I am under the NEW Covenant and not the OLD...........
Well, let me say I love DC immensely, as well as I also love you. But I speak when led, there are some times when God would have me hush up for a moment and let Him speak to anothers spirit directly. Then, God's words which He has me speak will resound with grace.I completely agree God is love and it is by His wishes we can show it resoundingly. I am loyal to Jesus' love and His Word, and yet I am not here to love man outside of that capacity, for that is not the greater love of man. I want to love man at God's 'Best'; over the 'good enough's' of man.
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Ariel82
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◄ Colossians 2 ►
English Standard Version
8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spiritsa of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15He disarmed the rulers and authoritiesb and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.c
Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,d puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21“Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22(referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
English Standard Version
8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spiritsa of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15He disarmed the rulers and authoritiesb and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.c
Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,d puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21“Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22(referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
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Ariel82
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Lol you obviously haven't read many of my posts.
Don't lump people into "y'all"
I love Dcon and we agree on many things but we do disagree on a few points of Biblical interpretations.
Mostly things we both agree to let God tell us about in Heaven one day.
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Ariel82
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Okay....
God tells me to love them just as they are and pray and encourage them to become the people means for them to be.
I am okay when people yell at me, it bothers me a little when I am misunderstood or some says i believe something I don't.
However, my initial fleshlt reaction is to be offended is overcome by God's response to love and forgive.
.to pray and see the deeper question and the bigger problem of why they are at odds with me.
1. Is it my fault for not being clear?
2. Are my views unbiblical, do their acccusations have any basis?
3. Is it personal emotional response to a perceived offense?
4. Is their views unbiblical?
Anyway. God says look first at ourselves before we jump to pulling specks out of others...yeah they aren't perfect, but neither are we until Jesus returns.
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limey410
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When the two are mixed it truly negates the full value of both. I call it covenant-mashing. I wonder if it's a sin ? (tongue in cheek)
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Ariel82
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Faith isn't "instruction lived by grace"
You can add instruction to faith and that can help you learn to live godly lives but Faith is dependent upon Whom you place your faith in.
Some say what ,but that is not a saving faith.
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Ariel82
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See, the problem is....the bible does not teach that about faith.....the bolded below in YOUR QUOTE is false....
HEBREWS 11....
New American Standard Bible
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
King James Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
GOD'S definition of faith-->Now faith is the substance of things hoped for
YOUR definition of faith-->when faith is instruction lived by grace
NO thanks pal...I will take God's version over your version and you should take your own advice...study and accept truth
Originally Posted by JohnTalmid
How so. By grace through faith is how one comes to be saved. Y'all are saying by grace through grace we are saved. You think faith is grace when faith is instruction lived by grace.
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Ariel82
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What? This sounds full of grace bro... Thank you for sharing well I still don't agree with you however...
Take the commandment of wearing a blue cord on the four corners of your garment.
We are given the commandment to remember to keep the commandments YHWH has given us. I don't keep them perfect yet however in Messiah I have a certain hope that one day I will be changed into a man that does by grace. So it is evidence and hope in a promise to come as well as said prescribed way to live in Messiahs' faith.
We are given the commandment to remember to keep the commandments YHWH has given us. I don't keep them perfect yet however in Messiah I have a certain hope that one day I will be changed into a man that does by grace. So it is evidence and hope in a promise to come as well as said prescribed way to live in Messiahs' faith.
Nor will you EVER in this life....exactly why it points us to CHRIST.......and that is exactly what you miss....you are trying to do the impossible.....break the least=guilty of the whole......
wake up to faith, grace and mercy in JESUS and REST in his completed work!
I am sorry sis but i do believe that the word of God is flawless and i need not interpret or add to it. I do not lean on my own understanding and if ever it offended anyone, it's just meant to...
Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Proverbs 3:1-7 Further Benefits of Wisdom My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity. Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart. Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil.