Well, you're in the BDF right this minute, aren't you? Alrighty then.. So you're a BDF denizen. 
Not By Works
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Well what ever you apreciate may it be fruitful but i dont understand why people allways see some sought of negitive side in good... In the good side theres only one thing in my book that can get lazy... and that is thinking you no longer have to repent.. GEEZE TALK ABOUT BEING PICKY...
It's about disrespecting water baptism and good works in general, it's about putting them in their proper place. Subsequent to regeneration and justification.
Well, you're in the BDF right this minute, aren't you? Alrighty then.. So you're a BDF denizen.
ah, just got it
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wwjd_kilden
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Someone correct me if am wrong, but I think it refers to the belief that the wafer and wine literally turns into the flesh and blood of Jesus , rather than just represent it.
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limey410
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NoNameMcgee
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tell that to evolutionists who seem to think living matter comes from non living matter
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
2 Corinthians 6:2
“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
i never said it did but thanks for putting words in my mouth ..............you will fit in well here with the rest of the force feeders..
so does this mean i only have to belief once ?.....
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
2 Corinthians 6:2
“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
my reply was to billy not you. and my question was to him... not you....
also dont assume you know me because you dont...
so miilions of people world wide who go to church and eat the bread on a weekly communion... are all disrespecting god with bad works ?... you are deluded...
Re: Not By Works
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
2 Corinthians 6:2
“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
If you are drowning in the river, how often do you need taking out?- So it is when God saves . The belief is then permanent.
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What does it say on the cheque?
What is the work of the Holy Spirit in the first instance?
If you look at the word believe in the John 1:12 it means
pisteuō; from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ): — believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
So we entrust our well being in Christ as a result of our faith in him.
Some will say we need to continue in our trust in him, but to me that's the wrong way around.
Jesus took trusting in him to a further level.
"Don't worry about what you will eat tomorrow, if God gives the birds food to eat will he not feed you?
If you think about it we cannot or don't entrust 24/7 our trust in him.
To me and from my experience when people, like I did wandered of the path because of foolish things said to me and comments made assumed I had lost my faith.
A quick example for me is that I served actively within the church. Built up a very good youth group. Spent hours and hours working for it. I did this whilst suffering severe anxiety, this was as a result of being thrown out by mother as a teenager, being fostered by a Christian family and then find me self being sexually abused by my foster dad.
Whilst leading the youth group my wife and I started a young family and I was studying for my accountancy exams.
I got to the point that I could not cope anymore.
I stepped down as youth group leader. I'm needed help, I had given out so much over 2 years. I hardly went to a meeting because I couldn't as a result of my youth work.
When I approached an elder and explained all this and asked for help, with anxiety and spiritual depression as such he said "No as you are no longer giving out in the church"
When I stepped down from the youth work they placed someone else in. Within months the youth group went from 100 plus to less than 20.
I had people telling me it was my fault.
I stopped going to church for 14 years and I was written off as an unbeliever by many.
In fact when my second child was born and we wanted to dedicate her the leader of the church called me and said "I can't let you stand in front of the church and dedicate your daughter because you don't come to church"
I pulled him aside and said to him "How dare you, I have not lost my faith in `Jesus I have lost faith in this church and it's people, people like you"
You see Jimbo we can be quick to judge but do not know what's going on behind closed doors.
No one other than my wife knew that for those 14 years that every night I cried out to Jesus with tears in my eyes please help me, I need you so much. In fact I got to the stage I started praying "God kill me tonight so I know where I am going and it's probably hell, but you know what I'm living hell on earth but I know you will take care of my family"
Now does that sound like a man has lost his faith? I will leave that up to you to answer.
So I am here now posting this, what does that tell you about me and about a loving Jesus that even when I went so far away from him I am here now.
Who rescued who?
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limey410
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True, you never actually said that what you believe is right.
I suppose an apology is in order, am I to assume then, from now on that what you say, you don't believe is right?
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limey410
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What a testimony to the grace of our Lord. Even through suffering, He held you in his hand!
I often look at my life in a similar fashion, that in the midst of all of the destruction and loss that He is holding me in His hand, in the air, saying "this one belongs to me forever, you(the world) won't get him back".
This happens in the midst of my sin, my battles and my life, no matter what anyone tells me falsely about my God. God Bless you Bill G