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This is the truth Grace appears in the old testement... so for the verry unwell brother here who claims your not his brother if your not under grace...

Now i say to this go and see grace in the old testement too....and then when you do............. realise people are born holy..
 
PeterJens said:
Now I like that you repent of repenting, lol, ironic.
Or you repent of faith. Now unbelief in their eyes is the unforgivable sin,
yet for a once or many times believer it is ok.

Farce is what I would call it, but then we are sooooooooo evil what do
we know. It is like saying free climbing is safe, except you do die after the first fall.

Someone confessed the first time they heard an apostate preacher they were shocked.
It soon wore off after they also apostated. Odd that.

My question is, do they have a way back? Well to date, no. I mean they cannot even admit
verses can be read two ways. If you can see both you know you have a choice, ironic
that only one side seem able to see this, lol
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You always seem to equate the spiritual to the worldly (free climbing, riding a bike etc), I don't understand that.

Unbelief of what Jesus did on the cross and the rejection of Him is the unforgivable sin.

What unbelief after that are you speaking of that we commit once or often, that equates to the unforgivable sin of which we speak?

You're very confusing.
 
JIMBO43 said:
This is the truth Grace appears in the old testement... so for the verry unwell brother here who claims your not his brother if your not under grace...

Now i say to this go and see grace in the old testement too....and then when you do............. realise people are born holy..
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People are born spiritually dead. Without the Spirit of God in them (Thanks Adam). So how is it possible that we are born holy?
 
Chris1975 said:
Well then he remains in a state of repentance. And this is confirmed by his actions. For what a man believes so he does.

No, take the other side. He has a change of mind. What then?
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Constant state of repentance ? Take the other side? What is that for a man that is living with God indwelling within?

I am totally confused. I have no idea what your point or question is.
 
PeterJens said:
Part of repentance is a commitment not to sin and not do evil.
Seems a lot have never made this commitment, dear Lord, please forgive us.
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You seem to focus on repentance is a commitment not to sin and not do evil.
Then you say seems a lot have never made this commitment.

So are you saying that there are people posting here who take sin lightly and it fact are not repentant of their sin?

If so to be honest you are judging them.

Our commitment should not be sin management cause if it is the focus is wrong. We will never be sin free this side of eternity.

The focus should come off sin and the focus should be on Christ.

That way our walk with him is likely to be more fruitful, as we grow in him our new man increases and the old man decreases.
 
JIMBO43 said:
I agree with this... Howeve you dont agree with the last part that you are continuing to be saved.... coz youve allready claimed your the done deal... and you dont need to be saved again..

Youve claimed this... and now your claiming the other have you had a change of heart or are you just messen
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Have not changed one iota.....It is a once for all act, with a present continuing result.....I was saved the moment I believed, I am saved now and will continue to be saved into the future for all eternity....ETERNAL SALVATION.....you should try it JIM it is biblical and by faith based upon mercy and grace and the promise of JESUS
 
limey410 said:
If you are not spiritually dead, then how do you receive the Holy Spirit of God upon your Salvation? Eternal life.
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According to his own words he does not yet possess salvation yet...he hopes like one who bought a lottery ticket that he gets it in the end and wins the prize.
 
limey410 said:
If you are not spiritually dead, then how do you receive the Holy Spirit of God upon your Salvation? Eternal life.
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Your soul is born holy without blemish or spot.... for it is written that no longer will the son inherit the eniquity of there parents..

And it is also written that soul that sins is the soul that dies.. so wipe ya eyes and smile coz a soul that has the spirit is even more holy..
 
JIMBO43 said:
Your soul is born holy without blemish or spot.... for it is written that no longer will the son inherit the eniquity of there parents..

And it is also written that soul that sins is the soul that dies.. so wipe ya eyes and smile coz a soul that has the spirit is even more holy..
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I'm talking about salvation.

Before salvation, no Spirit of God = death.
After salvation, yes Spirit of God = life and life eternal.
 
BillG said:
You seem to focus on repentance is a commitment not to sin and not do evil.
Then you say seems a lot have never made this commitment.

So are you saying that there are people posting here who take sin lightly and it fact are not repentant of their sin?

If so to be honest you are judging them.

Our commitment should not be sin management cause if it is the focus is wrong. We will never be sin free this side of eternity.

The focus should come off sin and the focus should be on Christ.

That way our walk with him is likely to be more fruitful, as we grow in him our new man increases and the old man decreases.
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I have not dealt with one worker for and or cake taker on this site that has not accused those who believe in eternal security of making light of sin while saying that we live like the devil, do as we please, promote sin and sinful lifestyles etc...all the while refusing to repent and get right.....

ALMOST to a MAN they have all made this sinful accusation without apology, remorse or honesty about what we believe about sin....
 
Chris1975 said:
In order to receive the word into your heart, your heart had to have been prepared for this. Conviction of Sin. The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin (you would agree).

Now, you no longer have any conviction of sin, feel that its no longer a "biggie". And you are free to engage in sin. You have had a change of mind concerning this. What then?
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What is that conviction of sin that the Holy Spirit came to convict us off when Jesus went back to heaven?
 
JIMBO43 said:
My soul is recieving salvation daily..:)
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HOW!!!! Do you re-crucify Christ daily? That's gotta stink for Christ! He asked for it not to happen when it did actually happen!! You think he wants to go back??
 
dcontroversal said:
Have not changed one iota.....It is a once for all act, with a present continuing result.....I was saved the moment I believed, I am saved now and will continue to be saved into the future for all eternity....ETERNAL SALVATION.....you should try it JIM it is biblical and by faith based upon mercy and grace and the promise of JESUS
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You cant try salvation sorry mate your on your donkey horse again :rolleyes::D.........

I mean you so not with it spiritually at the moment so i will pray you become one in unity and then respond to the a written truth that we are recieving salvation....

Accept the fact you havent recieved salvation fully yet..

Accept the fact that you are continuing recieving salvation of your soul every day..


Accept the fact that you are to continue to work out your salvation daily..

Accept the fact that you should ask for daily bread too..

Lol ticks if ya get this one right you will win my approval..:)
 
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