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God hasn't decreed to heal the world, but he has decreed to save the elect, grant them faith, and seal them unto the day of redemption, according to the counsel of His will; Ephesians 1.
Lot's of suckers will probably be mad at God when they get to heaven because they've been trying to prove they can lose their salvation. Some people are just inconsolably bitter in nature.
We will see this differently because you believe in predestination....we see it differently than DCONN and Ariel, because they believe in universalism
Um, except that verse that says "Not all men have faith" - 2 Thessalonians 3:2. God hasn't given all men faith. No, Romans 12:3 doesn't say that either, it is written contextually to the elect, not the world abroad.
So how come where instructed to keep the faith.. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. New King James Version (NKJV)
If faith was a gift then you must support pre election because your saying God chooses who to give faith and who dont. Instead of saying God created all humans to eithet act in faith once they hear the word or not act as many choose to do.
Of course I believe in predestination it's biblical. It is to salvation, it is to the image of Christ, and to the adoption as sons. He did it all.
Oh so its ok that theres many suffering...God hasn't decreed to heal the world, but he has decreed to save the elect, grant them faith, and seal them unto the day of redemption, according to the counsel of His will; Ephesians 1.
Lot's of suckers will probably be mad at God when they get to heaven because they've been trying to prove they can lose their salvation. Some people are just inconsolably bitter in nature.
so you have to be an elect befor your saved,,,, that means im going to hell i may as well give up my hope right now and declare myself spiritualy dead... zombieGod hasn't decreed to heal the world, but he has decreed to save the elect, grant them faith, and seal them unto the day of redemption, according to the counsel of His will; Ephesians 1.
Lot's of suckers will probably be mad at God when they get to heaven because they've been trying to prove they can lose their salvation. Some people are just inconsolably bitter in nature.
More contradictions from the bloviator....
Faith is a spiritual gift and the source is GOD.....another cake taker...I love the bolded above....
FAITH does not come from GOD.....and then say The BIBLE says HE GAVE each man a measure of faith.....which I have said a 100 times on CC in the last 4.5 years.....
NOTRUTH again it seems or contradicted truth.....which is it?
Well since your saying salvation and faith are the gift of God. Let's look at Ephesians 2:8 in context. We see its obvious Ephesians 2 is all focused on grace and salvation. Really all of Ephesians is focused on grace. This should be one warning that ephesians 2:8 may not be speaking on both faith and salvation as the gift. Paul had to include faith because part of how grace is to be given. But Paul was focusing on grace throughout the whole letter.
For by grace you are saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves; (it is) of God the gift.
The 2nd warning is given in the greek interlinear verse.
Grace and faith are both a noun, feminine, and singular.
Gift is a noun, neuter, and singular.
We have to first look and see that gift being neuter doesn't match feminine even though all three are singular.Only implying gift is matched to another word in the verse.
This is a demonstrative pronoun which is always followed by a noun This is neuter and singular which matches the following noun gift.
And so the gift is matched with this. But now the question is since this is singular and referring to one word or concept. But obviously, we can't know because grace and faith are feminine. So now we understand this must be referred to the concept of the subject at hand.
We have to study it in context to see is Paul speaking of at all inephesians about faith being the gift of God at any other point. In fact, he does not but is heavily focused on grace. So this is warning 3.
Warning four is seeing what the word gift is related to throughout the NT since the greek word in Ephesians 2:8 is used once. You do not have to go very far to finda example. In Ephesians 3:7
Ephesians 3:7New International Version (NIV)
7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.
Romans 6:23Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And so with all these clues pointing to gift being referred to a singular concept and in context it is obvious what this concept is. The gift is referred to grace.
For by grace you are saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves; (it is) of God the gift.
The 2nd warning is given in the greek interlinear verse.
Grace and faith are both a noun, feminine, and singular.
Gift is a noun, neuter, and singular.
We have to first look and see that gift being neuter doesn't match feminine even though all three are singular.Only implying gift is matched to another word in the verse.
This is a demonstrative pronoun which is always followed by a noun This is neuter and singular which matches the following noun gift.
And so the gift is matched with this. But now the question is since this is singular and referring to one word or concept. But obviously, we can't know because grace and faith are feminine. So now we understand this must be referred to the concept of the subject at hand.
We have to study it in context to see is Paul speaking of at all inephesians about faith being the gift of God at any other point. In fact, he does not but is heavily focused on grace. So this is warning 3.
Warning four is seeing what the word gift is related to throughout the NT since the greek word in Ephesians 2:8 is used once. You do not have to go very far to finda example. In Ephesians 3:7
Ephesians 3:7New International Version (NIV)
7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.
Romans 6:23Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And so with all these clues pointing to gift being referred to a singular concept and in context it is obvious what this concept is. The gift is referred to grace.
Man spiritual gifts is something we get AFTER recieving the Spirit. Not before lol
Sorry I have to disagree here concerning measure of faith which includes saving faith.
The measure of faith you mention is from
Romans 12:3
Serve God with Spiritual Gifts
For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.
Its not from Romans 10:17 which is
Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
To me that has nothing to do with the measure of faith.
to each one: God has given everyone one or more gifts that can be used in His service. dealt … a measure of faith: The measure refers to God’s sovereignly given gifts.